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2017/08/21 14:10:49 (permalink)

Good Vibrations

Consciously or not, we all analyze previous productions and try to apply the innovations of past masters in our own way. Dark Side of the Moon, American Idiot, Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, Thriller - all analyzed to death, and all have inspired and informed subsequent productions. Sometimes, though, a truly groundbreaking masterpiece is overlooked simply because it succeeded so well as just another radio-friendly earworm. 
 

 
What are your favorite examples of real genius disguised as a pop tune? Either a recognized hit, or something more obscure that maybe the public wasn't ready for at the time. In the non-hit category I'd offer "Calling Occupants of Interplanetary Craft" by Klaatu, and unexpectedly covered by The Carpenters. As well as the entire concept album "Hope" by the largely ignored but musically-inventive and Beatle-esque Toronto band Klaatu. Under the "hit" category, maybe "Africa" by Toto - a song with such a great sing-along hook that you don't notice how great the overall production is.


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Re: Good Vibrations 2017/08/21 15:13:08 (permalink)
and rundgren's loving cover of good vibrations.

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Re: Good Vibrations 2017/08/21 19:56:42 (permalink)
ABC's 'Lexicon of Love' album was a benchmark in pop production by Trevor Horn. I loved the single 'All of My Heart', such a '3-D' sound.
 


 
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Re: Good Vibrations 2017/08/22 02:35:41 (permalink)
I've always felt the back side of Abbey Road was absolute genius, the way all of the songs interplay into a medley.  If I start to listen, I have to listen to the entire album side without interruption.    Topped off by the hidden, "Her Majesty". 

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Re: Good Vibrations 2017/08/22 02:44:03 (permalink)
Pet Sounds

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Re: Good Vibrations 2017/08/22 13:27:05 (permalink)
Great find, I haven't seen that video before. Re -the high bass line, this is done fairly much throughout Pet Sounds. GV is recorded in his "sections" style.
I'm a big Brian Wilson devotee myself ... enough to know I shouldn't emulate him in anything I do on Sonar.
The Pet Sounds sessions highlights are an enlightening demonstration of Brian's studio techniques, along with the "Behind The Sounds" series available on YouTube, for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3f6ZKQ_ffo  
Also see the way Brian arranges that magical intro to California Girls at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4IcDgNRPQ4&t=142s  (who would chance an intro of that duration these days?)
He did all that on four track at the age of 23. 
A good insight into that and other musical genius is demonstrated on the film "The Wrecking Crew" - the LA super sessions group (Hal Blaine, Carol Kaye, Tommy Tedesco, Glen Campbell, etc).
And then there was Smile, fairly much all in sections ...
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Re: Good Vibrations 2017/08/23 10:39:37 (permalink)
Great examples mentioned.
Oldfields "Moonlight Shadow" and Bostons "More than a feeling" are brilliant works as well, even though worn to the bone already. The sheer ease of perfection is stunning. To me Steve Harleys "Make me smile" is, in its plain simplicity a masterpiece as well as his "Sebastian".
Pocos "Keep on trying" was something that made me shiver.
Then there's some Italian stuff that belong to the royalty of pop in my books, like "I treni di Tozeur "
(Alice & Franco Battiato... if only Franco was a bit more charismatic singer :o/) or "Per Elisa" (Alice). Those are from the 80's. There's quite many excellent Italian ones, even though the names escape me now (well, Mia as an obvious one). They have a magic touch of their own, even though you can't call their front line pioneers or innovators per se.
 

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Re: Good Vibrations 2017/08/23 14:14:42 (permalink)
Hall and Oates "She's Gone" by Todd Rundgren
 
Great suspense and use of dynamics and wonderful recording quality.

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Re: Good Vibrations 2017/08/23 15:16:25 (permalink)
Rundgren's "Sweeter Memories"
 


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Re: Good Vibrations 2017/08/23 15:21:54 (permalink)
Rundgrens' "Just One Victory"
 

 
 

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Re: Good Vibrations 2017/08/23 15:24:52 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu 2017/09/23 16:29:18
Jaco Pastorius - Come On, Come Over 
this one is bad @ss
  
 

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Re: Good Vibrations 2017/08/23 16:31:46 (permalink)
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Rundgren's "Sweeter Memories"
 



Oh one of my favorites, for sure!

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Re: Good Vibrations 2017/08/23 16:54:10 (permalink)
I might listen to an enormous amount of jam bands.

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Re: Good Vibrations 2017/08/23 17:06:33 (permalink)
Jam bands have measures of guitar riffs that are unique, and those that fall into the box patterns that notes are recognized but how put together like in blues runs can be appreciated in the uniqueness.

Then the masters like Clapton find their favorite places on a guitar neck and give us lots to listen to.

Now commonly mentioned are artists that reach back and show where they got some of their inspiration like Clapton and his Robert Johnson album.

Buddy Guy, covers and originals, another favorite.

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Re: Good Vibrations 2017/08/23 19:22:10 (permalink)
Wow, great stuff.
 
Thanks to everyone, especially Bit for starting this thread.
 
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Re: Good Vibrations 2017/08/24 00:18:04 (permalink)
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ABC's 'Lexicon of Love' album was a benchmark in pop production by Trevor Horn. I loved the single 'All of My Heart', such a '3-D' sound.
 



An album that was bliss in that era. Really well executed.

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Re: Good Vibrations 2017/08/24 02:40:15 (permalink)
I have to agree with the previous mention of Boston, in particular "More than a Feeling" but also most of that sadly limited discography (just 4 albums, IIRC). It's even more inspiring given that Mr. Scholtz was a kindred spirit of ours, a real DIY kind of guy. To this day, I get a great big grin if it comes on the radio while I'm cruising in the car; I just crank it up and sing along, yet again oblivious to the finer subtleties of the production. And that's exactly what I'm talking about - tunes so catchy that you don't even realize you're listening to a rare genius at work.
 
Here's another nominee for underestimated genius: the first King Crimson album.
 
We forget now just how ground-breaking that collection of songs was. Although it comfortably conformed to classical norms centuries old, it was also fundamentally different from anything that had come before. Sure, it capitalized on new technology (the Mellotron), but the other 95% was old-school instrumentation re-purposed. It wasn't jazz, it wasn't classical, it wasn't rock 'n roll, but an inventive blend of all of them, long before the word "fusion" had been coined to describe the combination of disparate musical traditions. And produced by Greg Lake in such a way as to be simultaneously accessible and novel (e.g. distortion on vocals, a common practice today but not in 1969, or mixed time signatures, previously unknown in rock). A watershed work of creativity that spawned an entire anti-genre that explicitly rejected the concept of genres.


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Re: Good Vibrations 2017/08/24 06:26:08 (permalink)
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Here's another nominee for underestimated genius: the first King Crimson album.
 



Couldn't agree more. It's hard to believe it was made in 1969. The sound canvas was so much ahead of its time,
and as compositional package it can be compared to classical masterpieces.
One of the memorable moments of my life: In the mid 90's I popped into my sons room (he was 14-15 then). There he was playing Doom or some hit game of the time on the PC, and listening loud  "In the Court of..."  .
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Re: Good Vibrations 2017/08/24 15:54:28 (permalink)
Another +1 for Court Of The Crimson King!
 
If only for how I first heard it.
 
I was the designated driver for a bunch of us from UW-Madison. We'd gone up to Devil's Head to do some "skiing" (in Wisconsin, that means sliding down a sheet of ice on the north face of some pimple of a hill) and it was time to head back to Madison. The college car I was driving was an old Dodge with a pushbutton automatic and built-in a/c (the holes rusted in the floor) and an AM-only radio. Luckily, it was after midnight and the clear channel stations were bouncing nicely. My favorite was a C/W station from Little Rock that featured C/W from 5am to midnight, and then bizarrely the best, most progressive DJ I ever heard from midnight to 5am (bounce time!). After a couple of songs, the DJ announced that he'd just received a fantastic new album and would play it straight through.
 
Court Of The Crimson King
 
On AM radio. Broadcast from the middle of nowhere. Listened to in the middle of nowhere.
 
And I couldn't wake anyone else in car. Their loss. It was a transformational experience.

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Re: Good Vibrations 2017/08/24 15:57:15 (permalink)
Robert Fripp freaking OWNS me. I'm embarrassed to admit to how many copies of each of their albums I've purchased over the years. Vinyl. Cassette. CD. Remastered HDCD.
 
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Re: Good Vibrations 2017/08/24 15:59:44 (permalink)
I'm also loving all of the Todd Rundgren love! What a talent! Fabulous live with Utopia! An even better producer.

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Re: Good Vibrations 2017/09/19 21:29:57 (permalink)
"What are your favorite examples of real genius disguised as a pop tune?"  That's a really good question.  My vote goes to "See the Light" by the Flame (maybe the worlds most obscure band).  It's three minutes of pure pop perfection by ripping a page out of the Beatles playbook.  Actually, it took the whole book.  The rest of the album (creatively entitled "The Flame") was great as well.  Right behind that I've got to vote for "September Gurls" by Big Star.  It's the song that launched a thousand Power Pop bands and created a genre.  Plus, it was Alex Chilton's last moment of sanity.

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Re: Good Vibrations 2017/09/22 13:55:33 (permalink)
That could be a whole 'nother thread: bands that sound like the Beatles. Klaatu's brilliant album "Hope". Everything by Badfinger. The perfect pop song that is "Lies" by the Knickerbockers. The Raspberries. 
 



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Re: Good Vibrations 2017/09/23 13:17:15 (permalink)
and Mountain: Mississippi Queen
But like Dave said, a whole 'nother thread...
 
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Re: Good Vibrations 2017/09/23 15:14:31 (permalink)
How'd we get from Good Vibrations to Mississippi Queen? 
 
It's a good tune, though, I'd have to agree. Essential for any cowbell enthusiast's playlist.
 


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Re: Good Vibrations 2017/09/23 15:44:08 (permalink)
Something I dug up while waiting for the rain to stop last month. This is part one of six

The rest is on YT.
 
 
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Re: Good Vibrations 2017/09/23 16:06:53 (permalink)
Ah yes, Godley & Crème were pop writers par excellence. Loved that track 'Under My Thumb' and 'Cry' also, beautiful production on that one.

 
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Re: Good Vibrations 2017/09/23 17:10:18 (permalink)
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Ah yes, Godley & Crème were pop writers par excellence. Loved that track 'Under My Thumb' and 'Cry' also, beautiful production on that one.


Agree anything by 10cc in the G&C era - listen to the lyrics on the album How Dare You - pure genius.

Another classic album I'd highlight is Days of Future Passed by the Moody Blues. You could be forgiven for ignoring the album on the strength of Nights in White Satin which on one level works as a rather bland pop ballad but put it in context with rest of the album and it becomes great closing track - very clever stuff. 'Brave Helios, wake up your steeds' - now that's a lyric you don't hear every day of the week.

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Re: Good Vibrations 2017/09/24 12:09:57 (permalink)
"That could be a whole 'nother thread: bands that sound like the Beatles. Klaatu's brilliant album "Hope". Everything by Badfinger. The perfect pop song that is "Lies" by the Knickerbockers. The Raspberries."
Mississippi Queen is the perfect "Rock" single, I know, I know, off topic and you were talking "pop".
And while Lies is "pop", I'd like to think of it is a "pop rocker"?
(probably because I like the tune and for guitarists of a certain age and genre; you know what I mean...)
But this is all off topic.
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