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Great Vocals but Nasal, EQ Recommend??
The singer has a great voice except, he has a deviated septum, one nasal nostril is blocked, wondering how this can be rectified with EQ? Says he might have an operation (out patient) to rectify this blocked passage, in the meantime, is there anything I can do plug in or EQ qwise to help him? thanks
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attalus
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RE: Great Vocals but Nasal, EQ Recommend??
2005/11/13 17:48:52
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Try harmonieq by voxengo. it will allow you to make dramatic corrections without the eq adding any coloration itself so the vocals remain natural sounding.It will just sound like your reshapeing the vocals with nothing artificial added.The mode you want to use harmonieq in is softp mode. Try the demo first: www.voxengo.com
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RE: Great Vocals but Nasal, EQ Recommend??
2005/11/13 19:43:15
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Maybe try recording him with a differnt mic position. Placing the mic either to the left or right of a singers mouth will allow you to locate their sweet spot. Every singer is differnt so you will have to experement and move the mic from side to side. Placing the mic above or below the mouth by as much as 1' or so allows you to tonal shape the vocal. You now can add or cut the amount of Head or Chest voice the mic picks up. Next is to experement with mic angle.
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RE: Great Vocals but Nasal, EQ Recommend??
2005/11/13 20:08:40
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ORIGINAL: retroz The singer has a great voice except, he has a deviated septum, one nasal nostril is blocked, wondering how this can be rectified with EQ? Says he might have an operation (out patient) to rectify this blocked passage, in the meantime, is there anything I can do plug in or EQ qwise to help him? thanks This sound pretty much like something you cannot EQ out. EQ can bring out highs or lows and remove highs and lows, but nasality is something which is unique to the performance and probably cannot be adjested/remedied. Your best bet is probably re-tracking the vocals and see if he can work hi way around it with a different technique.
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RE: Great Vocals but Nasal, EQ Recommend??
2005/11/13 20:41:52
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Try a 6 db cut at 2kHz or about 3 kHz with a medium Q width.
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RE: Great Vocals but Nasal, EQ Recommend??
2005/11/14 00:37:02
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I have to agree with the mic position theory. My experience is that placing the cartridge of a large diaphragm condenser mic just above the upper lip (and slightly below the nose) sometimes can make the voice seem less nasal. Also works on bringing up airway noise for breathier vocal sound. Each singer is a bit different though.
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RE: Great Vocals but Nasal, EQ Recommend??
2005/11/14 00:37:59
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And tell him to lay off da coke:) Sorry,kidding
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RE: Great Vocals but Nasal, EQ Recommend??
2005/11/14 00:58:41
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The nasality is a resonance, but it's a harmonic one, with multiple peaks. One trick (shh, it's a secret) is to use a comb filter (flanger with sweep width and feedback set to zero). Play with the delay and wet-dry mix until it's tuned in and the nasality just sort of "smooths out". The delay should be short, around 2 msec down to 0.5 msec, and the mix goes from 100% dry (no notch depth) to 50/50 (full notch depth). This, with some EQ for overall shaping, could do the trick. But be careful... if you remove too much nasality, he'll sound stuffed up, like he has a cold.
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RE: Great Vocals but Nasal, EQ Recommend??
2005/11/14 01:50:31
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Also try BBE SonicMaximizer
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RE: Great Vocals but Nasal, EQ Recommend??
2005/11/14 06:46:09
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Try a 6 db cut at 2kHz or about 3 kHz with a medium Q width. Did he post the track? How can you be so specific? Am I missing something here?
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RE: Great Vocals but Nasal, EQ Recommend??
2005/11/14 07:10:48
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ORIGINAL: djoni Try a 6 db cut at 2kHz or about 3 kHz with a medium Q width. Did he post the track? How can you be so specific? Am I missing something here? I think he read this settings in some website and wrote it here...
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RE: Great Vocals but Nasal, EQ Recommend??
2005/11/14 09:57:42
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ORIGINAL: BluerecordingStudios ORIGINAL: djoni Try a 6 db cut at 2kHz or about 3 kHz with a medium Q width. Did he post the track? How can you be so specific? Am I missing something here? I think he read this settings in some website and wrote it here... No. Just a general suggestion. I said, "TRY a 6 db cut . . ." I didn't say it was the absolute answer; but remember the question asked for EQ suggestions, which is what I gave. This is often the "nasal" frequency area of vocals.
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RE: Great Vocals but Nasal, EQ Recommend??
2005/11/14 11:15:06
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ORIGINAL: djoni Try a 6 db cut at 2kHz or about 3 kHz with a medium Q width. Did he post the track? How can you be so specific? Am I missing something here? those may or may not be the specific settings but it is going to require cuts and not boosts, and around that area! It may not get rid of the nasality completely but should reduce it significantly! PS. but if it did not work it's a good starting point to give the original poster.
post edited by attalus - 2005/11/14 11:18:32
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RE: Great Vocals but Nasal, EQ Recommend??
2005/11/14 15:38:52
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"Cant make a silk purse out of a sows ear" comes to mind
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RE: Great Vocals but Nasal, EQ Recommend??
2005/11/14 18:54:31
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The singer has a great voice except, he has a deviated septum, one nasal nostril is blocked, wondering how this can be ummm...... EQ won't be much help! But, ya know what worked for Sonny Bono....? Have the singer hook up with some chick, who will change into skimpy outfits every song. Seriously tho... The singer needs to work on developing better technique. A blocked nasal passage isn't going to cause a nasally vocal.... Sometimes a ribbon mike can help. Or, mike like you would for a banjo.. (just kidding here) The best thing is for the singer to correct the problem. Kind Regards! Kevin
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RE: Great Vocals but Nasal, EQ Recommend??
2005/11/15 04:15:22
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Reminds me of the Peter Cook/Dudley Moore comedy skit about the one-legged man applying to play the role of Tarzan. "So you, a uni-dexter, are applying for the role traditionally played by a man with TWO legs..." Perhaps the singer's fine, it's the role that's wrong. How about doing Bob Dylan covers? :)
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RE: Great Vocals but Nasal, EQ Recommend??
2005/11/15 06:37:12
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I respectfully disagree with pdarg , as a cut in the area he suggested (2-3K as a first response) could take out all the presence in the vocal, unless you are using a mic with a big bump in that area, freq. response-wise and you need to compensate. It is hard to give advice without hearing your track, but generally the first place you go to compensate for the "nasal sound" is EQ around 900-950. Try in that area first. If you don't have a good spectrum analyzer (actually, even if you do), vary the Q a bit and the dB until it sounds good to you. Then check with someone else to see if in the process of tuning, you have convinced yourself that it sounds good. If nobody else is available to check your work, rip a great vocal track from someone else, play in through media player or something, and A/B with your current track (that you just EQ'd) to bring perspective. Best, Mark Edited for clariy
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attalus
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RE: Great Vocals but Nasal, EQ Recommend??
2005/11/15 12:39:56
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What about doing alot of takes. and cut the best parts of each take out and form one track with them.Then hit it with effect processing (eq,reverb, etc). The best answer is singing correctly to began with like many of the above posts suggested, but obviously this will not happen overnight.
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RE: Great Vocals but Nasal, EQ Recommend??
2005/11/15 13:15:05
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I agree. This is probably the best way to attack this. Performance, performance, performance!
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Re: Great Vocals but Nasal, EQ Recommend??
2014/10/30 15:17:47
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I have a deviated septum, and I happen to know that it creates a more muffled sound in my case, not a nasal sound. I suggest the singer might try one of the the stick-on springy devices you use during allergy season to pull the nostrils a little further apart to open the airway somewhat, and then, yes, record him on the unaffected side. The mic you use could also make a difference in how much snuffling it picks up from the affected nostril.
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Re: Great Vocals but Nasal, EQ Recommend??
2014/10/30 15:42:18
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Just in time for halloween - we have some serious thread necromancy.
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Re: Great Vocals but Nasal, EQ Recommend??
2014/10/30 17:01:48
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How about some Vic's Vapor Rub ..
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Re: Great Vocals but Nasal, EQ Recommend??
2014/10/30 17:19:24
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How about Melodyne's formant tool? Would that do anything? For this 9 year old pre-Melodyne problem, that is.
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Re: Great Vocals but Nasal, EQ Recommend??
2014/10/30 18:01:00
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Thread back from the dead! Formant tool might work, but it moves all formants with one tool - it's used to scale the size of the entire vocal cavity. What would be cool is if they provided control over each individual formant, so you could control the resonance(s) of just the snuffy nose (or shrill nose, as the case may be). The Breathe-Right strip was an interesting suggestion. (But seriously, in 9 years, the OP could have had rhinoplasty by now. Or some serious vocal coaching.)
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Re: Great Vocals but Nasal, EQ Recommend??
2014/10/30 22:32:04
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To me, "nasal" can mean two things: 1. The singer sings through his nose. 2. The singer's nose is blocked (cold, polyps, etc.) It sounds as though we are talking about #2, which tends to make M and N sounds indistinct. One rather radical solution (which may not be appropriate for the material) would be to EQ the voice as though you were going for a telephone voice, but then back-off a little. This would mean cutting highs and lows significantly and leaving orboosting the middle. That sounds counter-intuitive, but it might come across as a sound you are going for instead of a problem: that type of EQ makes everyone sound a little nasal (in the #2 sense). Of course, you probably wouldn't want to get too extreme, and this may not work for the particular song. This could sound good or horrible. Side note: I find 1176 compression gives a little of that sound if pushed hard.
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Re: Great Vocals but Nasal, EQ Recommend??
2014/10/31 09:17:37
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For a nasal 'honk', I'd use a multi-band compressor to smash that resonance. Get a picture of the resonance using a very short clip, (I'd personally use SoundForge for this). Then within Sonar I'd use something like the Sonitus compressor to adjust a band to match measured resonant band and its Q, compress it to remove resonance, and maybe reduce it overall in level. Net, I'd use a regular EQ to taste.
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