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Great article by Noel Borthwick about using RMix.
Here is the Blog I think this is the definitive article on R-Mix in X2. Lots of good stuff here.
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Re:Great article by Noel Borthwick about using RMix.
2012/11/06 12:12:18
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Very good article. Thanks for posting it. Before reading this I had no idea of the potential RMix had.
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Re:Great article by Noel Borthwick about using RMix.
2012/11/06 12:42:09
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yeah, would be nice if it were sonar tools only (izotope ozone 5 advanced plays a big role in this one)
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Re:Great article by Noel Borthwick about using RMix.
2012/11/06 17:22:31
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Hi everyone.
Thanks for checking out the blog. It was a fun project to work on. If anyone has a question regarding the job I would be happy to answer them.
@pwal: Ozone 5 was important for several aspects the restoration. However, the results would not have been possible without RMix. I also used the LPMultiBand compressor on a few tracks and console emulation on all the tracks which is part of X2 Producer. It might be worth mentioning the features specific to the Advanced version of Ozone were not a critical part of the job. The only feature from the Advanced version I used was the IRC III limiter model. I could have easily worked with the standard version of Ozone 5 using IRC II and got the pretty the same results. If you are looking at Ozone from a cost perspective there is notable difference between standard and Advanced.
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Re:Great article by Noel Borthwick about using RMix.
2012/11/06 17:46:07
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Although I am a very strong supporter of Ozone, much that is in Ozone can be done with CW's own plugins, particularly using the Pro Channel modules. The Concrete limiter is excellent for limiting. EQ is very well provided for with the Quad EQ. Channel Tools is great for adding some extra stereo to the mix and so on.
I would suggest that X2 users try the CW plugins and see if they alone can do the job. If not there is always Ozone 5 waiting to do its magic.
My view is that we users tend to discount the quality that CW pours into its plugins. A big mistake. They are as good as you will find anywhere.
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Re:Great article by Noel Borthwick about using RMix.
2012/11/06 17:49:06
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I don't know that we can incorporate mid/side EQ in Sonar as elegantly as we can using Ozone.
Thanks for the interesting article.
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Re:Great article by Noel Borthwick about using RMix.
2012/11/06 20:42:27
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The biggest problems with the original stereo files were in the mixes themselves. Ozone, or most mastering tools for that matter can't effectively solve more fundamental imaging problems that are present in a mix.
R-Mix was the crucial part here that allowed actually fixing the original problems in the mix. Its quite impressive how you can surgically extract a voice and manipulate it independently. I only contacted Eric after I had convinced myself that the core issues could be addressed with R-Mix. I'm sure he could have used SONAR's plugins for some of the fit and finish mastering tasks, but he used what he was comfortable with.
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Re:Great article by Noel Borthwick about using RMix.
2012/11/07 05:14:48
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Thanks for the Blog Noel. Very interesting and I now have a much better idea of how R-Mix can be useful. Still a bit advanced for me, but very educational!
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Re:Great article by Noel Borthwick about using RMix.
2012/11/07 06:11:20
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My vote for best reply ever. Thanks Noel.
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Re:Great article by Noel Borthwick about using RMix.
2012/11/07 08:04:40
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When is R-Mix stand alone going to work with 24bit audio?
I'd like to buy a stand alone license from Roland but I don't want to go back to the dark ages of 16 bit?
It seems short sighted that it would be released for 16 bit only as stand alone and then made available as a add-on for SONAR that can work at any bit depth.
I'd like to pay for the stand alone... when it has the ability to work on the file format I record.
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Re:Great article by Noel Borthwick about using RMix.
2012/11/07 08:11:03
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I agree that the stand alone version should support arbitrary bit depths. That version is managed by Roland's team so we don't really know what their update schedule is. The plugin version has several changes that make make it adapt better to a DAW environment.
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Re:Great article by Noel Borthwick about using RMix.
2012/11/07 08:27:35
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It does seem like you did a great job with the plug in.
5 stars!
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mike
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Re:Great article by Noel Borthwick about using RMix.
2012/11/07 09:47:27
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SGodfrey
Thanks for the Blog Noel. Very interesting and I now have a much better idea of how R-Mix can be useful. Still a bit advanced for me, but very educational!
Glad you found it useful. To clarify, for normal use when you have a single voice that you want to modify in a mix, its actually very easy to use Rmix. All you do is pick a shape elliptical or rectangular) and use that to isolate the voice. Then you use the 2 sliders to boost that voice alone or the "outside". And then the pan to place the voice in the stereo image. The case where it gets a bit more tricky is when you want to handle multiple voices in the same mix independently (as was the case here) Then you have to have a bunch of Rmix instances in series with each independently manipulating a voice. With that power comes some complexity.
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