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RE: Great piano sounds?
2007/07/26 23:20:51
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Here is the Dual Grand that comes in the Digital Sound Factory Vol. 1—Dimension Pro Expansion Pack. This new Dual Grand includes the new DSF C5 Yamaha combined with a 3 velocity sustain pedal resonance simulated piano that was already in Dimension Pro. I think they sound pretty good together.
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RE: Great piano sounds?
2007/07/31 14:24:42
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ORIGINAL: tdye
Here is the Dual Grand that comes in the Digital Sound Factory Vol. 1—Dimension Pro Expansion Pack. This new Dual Grand includes the new DSF C5 Yamaha combined with a 3 velocity sustain pedal resonance simulated piano that was already in Dimension Pro. I think they sound pretty good together.
Nice ... Tom - did you happen to compare the Yamaha to the trial of truepianos?
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tdye
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RE: Great piano sounds?
2007/07/31 20:02:55
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ORIGINAL: stuartr
Nice ... Tom - did you happen to compare the Yamaha to the trial of truepianos?
No, I haven't. But perhaps someone with truepianos or their demo could play the http://www.purgatorycreek.com/ MIDI file through it and post the MP3 for all to hear.
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Roel de Witt
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RE: Great piano sounds?
2007/07/31 20:07:09
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Hi, Though it's never a great demonstration to use a MIDI played using another keyboard/piano for another instrument I'll record it.. One for Diamond and one for Emerald.. Note that all of these modules have several presets so it's not fully representable. Will post it as soon as it's recorded. --- Roel / 4Front Technologies
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Roel de Witt
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RE: Great piano sounds?
2007/07/31 22:09:34
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Hi, Okay I've recorded the MIDI file through Diamond Jazz, Emerald Misty and a still unreleased in development module. I tried to match the keyboard velocity curve and playing style settings but this proved very hard and poorly shows off dynamics and expression TruePianos offers. Somehow the MIDI file is very much focused on high velocities and because of this is a poor demonstration of TruePianos simply because it uses a very small velocity range (it's certainly not played on a 88 key weighted hammer action keyboard... well very unlikely at least). Which confirms my comment that it's a bad choice to use a MIDI file made for a certain keyboard+virtual instrument combination to demonstrate another instrument. E.g. the unreleased module on the highest velocities shows how the sound morphs to a harder and brighter staccato like sound when the hammers hit the strings really hard causing the strings to violently vibrate and thus behave very different while it has a very nice warmer and fuller lower velocity range. Steps between different velocities are just too rough to really demonstrate the sound IMHO.. Additionally there seems to be a small flaw in the beginning of the MIDI file which results in at least 2-3 very noticeably notes when listening closely (especially with Emerald) that should not be there/sounding. I didn't check out the because but it's probably some MIDI based piano behavior that TruePianos reacts to that most other virtual piano VSTis/libraries ignore or being the result of editing the MIDI file originally in a way to obtain a certain result which can't happen happen when normally playing the keyboard. Alternatively it can be because of incidentally touched notes (softly/quickly). Again I didn't check. The demos on our website are probably far better to get an idea on what's possible when actually playing the instrument. Anyhow here they are: Diamond: http://www.truepianos.com/pvt/purdiamond.mp3 Emerald: http://www.truepianos.com/pvt/puremerald.mp3 Unreleased module: http://www.truepianos.com/pvt/purunreleased.mp3 --- Roel / 4Front Technologies
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Roel de Witt
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RE: Great piano sounds?
2007/08/01 17:34:48
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Hi, A small addition, to show what I meant with the unreleased still in development module performing badly using the Purgatory Creek MIDI file. Here's quick recording which somebody did for us to test playability of this piano a week ago: http://www.truepianos.com/pvt/amberpeter.mp3 I think this once again proves that the only way to compare virtual instruments is to actually play them or to let somebody play them. Using the same MIDI file to compare multiple instruments simply doesn't work reliably. --- Roel / 4Front Technologies
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RE: Great piano sounds?
2007/08/02 23:44:48
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Hi Roel, I just purchased True Pianos last night and downloaded this morning, after trying the demo for all of the forty days  . I love the pianos. When is the new module(s) going to be released and are you working on 64 bit for Vista 64? Ed
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RE: Great piano sounds?
2007/08/03 00:55:51
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I got the digital sound factory. The dual grand is like 760 meg. Its a 500 meg piano and a 200 meg piano. and I think it sounds really good. I wasn't a fan of true piano. I needed a more producer style piano. True piano was too concert for me. If thats even an expression. I'm overall happy with it. I have reason pianos but I just assume go to the digital sound factory one cause it sounds better.
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Roel de Witt
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RE: Great piano sounds?
2007/08/03 06:32:30
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Hi Ed, We hope to release the next update sometime in September. Most of the team also also works on other projects so it's hard to give a precise answer on when it comes. The official answer would be: "it comes when it's done". The next update is planned to include a new module as well as several other things we've been working on. A native x64 version of TruePianos is likely to happen. I can't give any clear timeframe on when it'll be released though. The 32-bit VST of TruePianos however works fine under Vista 64 Bit and the main advantage a native x64 build would give is related to RAM management. --- Roel / 4Front Technologies ORIGINAL: InstrEd
Hi Roel,
I just purchased True Pianos last night and downloaded this morning, after trying the demo for all of the forty days.
I love the pianos. When is the new module(s) going to be released and are you working on 64 bit for Vista 64?
Ed
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RE: Great piano sounds?
2007/08/03 15:56:39
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ORIGINAL: Roel de Witt
Hi Ed,
We hope to release the next update sometime in September. Most of the team also also works on other projects so it's hard to give a precise answer on when it comes. The official answer would be: "it comes when it's done".
The next update is planned to include a new module as well as several other things we've been working on.
A native x64 version of TruePianos is likely to happen. I can't give any clear timeframe on when it'll be released though. The 32-bit VST of TruePianos however works fine under Vista 64 Bit and the main advantage a native x64 build would give is related to RAM management.
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Roel / 4Front Technologies
ORIGINAL: InstrEd
Hi Roel,
I just purchased True Pianos last night and downloaded this morning, after trying the demo for all of the forty days.
I love the pianos. When is the new module(s) going to be released and are you working on 64 bit for Vista 64?
Ed
I too am trying out the True Piano trial (on Vista x64 as it were). I have to admit I've never heard piano sound so good. So you'll probably get some of my money as soon as the trial ends! Keep up the great work! Stuart.
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tdye
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RE: Great piano sounds?
2007/08/08 23:21:33
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Truepianos system requirements call for a soundcard with ASIO drivers.
I was thinking about buying it but will it work on with my Creative SB Audigy 2 ZS (WDM only)?
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Roel de Witt
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RE: Great piano sounds?
2007/08/09 00:45:06
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Hi,
Have a look at the free ASIO4ALL drivers (http://www.asio4all.com/). It basically gives any soundcard ASIO capabilities with quite good results.
ASIO is not required for TruePianos, but for sake of latency you want it.
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RE: Great piano sounds?
2007/08/14 09:01:50
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The Pianoteq piano was recently upgraded to version 2.1. Being a physical modeller, for me it has a number of advantages starting with a tiny 12mb footprint, you can adjust the sound to suit your requirements including tuning variations, resonance, hammer hardness etc, 127 levels of adjustable velocity sensitivity and a range of pianos from 1800s classics, to jazz, grands and Honky Tonk. It will even do unheard of sounds! There is a 45 day demo at www.pianoteq.com
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RE: Great piano sounds?
2007/08/15 00:29:40
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Crap. I just did a really stupid thing. I listened to the Synthology Ivory pianos. Holy shmoly! Now *those* are some good pianos! However, they're twice the cost of the TruePianos, and the TruePianos sound pretty dang good. They were the best that I'd heard until just now when I stupidly listened to the Synthology pianos. :) Now, even if I get the TruePianos, I'm always going to want the Synthology stuff. The old addage Price compared to performance. Is it worth the two hundred extra dollars to get the sound you like or is True Pianos close enough for half the price? Plus low latency to.
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RE: Great piano sounds?
2007/12/26 13:47:28
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RE: Great piano sounds?
2007/12/26 14:46:24
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first -- Dim Pro piano sounds are awfully good for the size of the files and all things considered
they're very expressive for their weight
second -- among the small circles i frequent
http://www.postpiano.com/index.php
the PMI piano samples -- now taken over by SampleTekk (and are in the middle of yet another deep discount (50% off) group buy)
are among the best full sampled 'realistic' piano
http://www.sampletekk.com/products.php?cat=44
you will need to invest in a sample playing synth like Kontakt 2 and a system with some memory
so the investment may or may not be significant compared to your needs and desires
among those small circles the 'Old Lady' is a definite favorite follwed by Black Steinway and 'Emperor'
but there are mp3s and you can listen for yourself
third as a possible alternative
True Piano
http://www.pianoteq.com/
but my guess is you may not be happy with the sound
fourth
something like Native Instruments Akoustik Piano
comes with 4 pianos
but to my ears they don't compare well with the larger PMI samples
which is always the trade off
fifith
compare for yourself at http://www.purgatorycreek.com/
that plays the same midi file through just about every piano out there Wrench, I just want to say this was one of the best responses I have seen to this question. It comes up time and time again. Your answer was clear and to the point... In the end you get what you pay for... always seems to be the case, you want fuller sound you pay more... Its true of the real pianos to, You get better sound out of a grand then a less expensive upwright. I to like the dimensions pianos, I also like truePianos.
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RE: Great piano sounds?
2007/12/26 17:23:49
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In his review of the "Bluthner Digital Model One" in November's Sound On Sound, Mark Wherry (a classically trained pianist) said, "quite possibly the finest virtual piano instrument available". <edit> Sorry Oaf ! <edit2> ... and sorry everyone: wrong flamin thread ! 
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neiby
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RE: Great piano sounds?
2009/02/02 17:00:13
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Nothing like resurrecting an old thread, but I've been listening to the Synthogy Italian Grand expansion. Holy cow, what a great sounding piano! I have True Pianos and really like their Diamond piano a lot. I can't stand the others for various reasons, but the Diamond is superb, especially in a mix. However, for solo piano, I'd really like something that sounds even better.
Any Italian Grand users here? It's only like $169 now, plus the $49 for iLok USB key. Keyboard Magazine said in their review that if you played through this module with a good 88-key weighted keyboard, you could record classical music and no one would know it wasn't a real piano. After listening to it, I don't disagree. it sounds fantastic.
I'd probably use True Pianos in a mix just because it sounds great and is pretty low on CPU usage. But for solo piano, I want something that I can just melt into, if you know what I mean.
Any thoughts?
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