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Groove Clip loop view - slicing. How do you do it?
In order to get rid of noise between guitar chords from the amplifier, I opened the track i Loop Construction View. I want cut it in slices but almost everything is greyed out. Why is that?
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Re:Groove Clip loop view - slicing. How do you do it?
2013/01/11 17:07:10
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Isn't this where "Remove Silence" would come in handy? I have never used the Loop Construction View so I have nothing to offer there, sorry.
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Re:Groove Clip loop view - slicing. How do you do it?
2013/01/11 17:11:22
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Might have better results using a gain envelop and/or the Sonitus Gate or ProChannel Expander/Gate.
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Re:Groove Clip loop view - slicing. How do you do it?
2013/01/11 17:12:51
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You're just trying to crop out noise? I do that in the Track View.
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Re:Groove Clip loop view - slicing. How do you do it?
2013/01/11 17:13:26
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Thank you guys. Yes, I do use the Sonitus Gate, effective but still...:-/
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Re:Groove Clip loop view - slicing. How do you do it?
2013/01/11 17:22:12
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That is why I would try the clip gain first. You can get very good results with envelops. You really do not need a gate.
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Re:Groove Clip loop view - slicing. How do you do it?
2013/01/11 17:25:15
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Re:Groove Clip loop view - slicing. How do you do it?
2013/01/11 17:39:48
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That used to confuse me to. Double clicking on a wave opened the loop constructor which looks like a handy place to do basic editing... but alas it most certainly is not. ;-)
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Re:Groove Clip loop view - slicing. How do you do it?
2013/01/11 17:43:28
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Thanks again! Yes, I probably split the track manually and delete those noisy sections.
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Re:Groove Clip loop view - slicing. How do you do it?
2013/01/11 17:54:55
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That used to confuse me to. Double clicking on a wave opened the loop constructor which looks like a handy place to do basic editing... but alas it most certainly is not. ;-)
But it SHOULD be. IMHO, this is still a shortcoming of Sonar. It cries out for a better wave editor. I'm not saying a full-blown one, but a better one. Yeah, you can connect to something like SoundForge, and yeah, you can do some edits in Track mode, but it could be more like Logic's Wave editor.
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Re:Groove Clip loop view - slicing. How do you do it?
2013/01/11 18:04:53
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I'd be happy if we could edit in the main view of the tracks (with lanes closed). Not sure what's up with that.
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Re:Groove Clip loop view - slicing. How do you do it?
2013/01/11 18:06:04
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"It cries out for a better wave editor." Couldn't point that out better myself. Cakewalk got something to learn from Cubase there...
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Re:Groove Clip loop view - slicing. How do you do it?
2013/01/11 18:10:02
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... Or you can just split the clip into pieces and remove the pieces of noise.
Scott ...
Which is what made me think of the Remove Silence feature. Doesn't it remove silence and split the non-affected parts into separate clips?
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Re:Groove Clip loop view - slicing. How do you do it?
2013/01/11 18:17:22
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... Or you can just split the clip into pieces and remove the pieces of noise.
Scott ...
Which is what made me think of the Remove Silence feature. Doesn't it remove silence and split the non-affected parts into separate clips?
Yes, that might work but I think he was after a more manual process. He's removing noise rather than silence, so getting the right settings might be tricky. I don't know for sure... it depends on the material being processed. He said that he had already tried using a gate effect, but wasn't getting the results he wanted. Scott -- Scott R. Garrigus - http://garrigus.com - SONAR X2 Power! - http://garrigus.com/?SonarX2Power * Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series: http://garrigus.com/?PowerBooks * Author of the Cakewalk Sonar ProAudioTutor video tutorial series: http://garrigus.com/?ProAudioTutor * Publisher of the DigiFreq free music technology newsletter: http://digifreq.com/?DigiFreq * Publisher of the NewTechReview free consumer technology newsletter: http://newtechreview.com/?NewTechReview
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Re:Groove Clip loop view - slicing. How do you do it?
2013/01/11 18:24:15
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I wish there were a tool just slicing up the track on the beat or something...
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Re:Groove Clip loop view - slicing. How do you do it?
2013/01/11 18:24:52
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Yes, that might work but I think he was after a more manual process. He's removing noise rather than silence, so getting the right settings might be tricky. I don't know for sure... it depends on the material being processed.
He said that he had already tried using a gate effect, but wasn't getting the results he wanted.
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Well, a normal gate won't split a clip into several clips, like the OP wants, but the Remove Silence feature is supposed to... at least that's what I took from reading about it. But you're the expert so I'm sure I don't know what I'm talking about, as usual.
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Re:Groove Clip loop view - slicing. How do you do it?
2013/01/11 18:37:11
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I wish there were a tool just slicing up the track on the beat or something... Audio Snap might be what you want to look at.
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Re:Groove Clip loop view - slicing. How do you do it?
2013/01/11 18:45:04
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Yes, audio snap will split clips at beats.
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Re:Groove Clip loop view - slicing. How do you do it?
2013/01/11 18:48:04
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Well, a normal gate won't split a clip into several clips, like the OP wants, but the Remove Silence feature is supposed to... at least that's what I took from reading about it. But you're the expert so I'm sure I don't know what I'm talking about, as usual. Hey Chappel... no, you're right. A gate won't split the clip and the Remove Silence feature might work if you can get the right settings. It just depends on the material because he's trying to remove noise rather than plain silence. It could possibly work though, so it's something worth trying. I hope I didn't make it sound like I was dismissing your idea. I definitely wasn't doing that.  Scott -- Scott R. Garrigus - http://garrigus.com - SONAR X2 Power! - http://garrigus.com/?SonarX2Power * Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series: http://garrigus.com/?PowerBooks * Author of the Cakewalk Sonar ProAudioTutor video tutorial series: http://garrigus.com/?ProAudioTutor * Publisher of the DigiFreq free music technology newsletter: http://digifreq.com/?DigiFreq * Publisher of the NewTechReview free consumer technology newsletter: http://newtechreview.com/?NewTechReview
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Re:Groove Clip loop view - slicing. How do you do it?
2013/01/11 18:49:05
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Yep, you can split on beats with AudioSnap as follows... 1. Change the Edit Filter for the track containing the audio to Audio Transients. 2. Change the Snap resolution to your split value (in this case 1/8). 3. Right-click the background of the audio and choose Pool > Add MBT to Pool. 4. Change the Edit Filter back to Clips. 5. Right-click the background of the audio and choose Split Clip(s) at AudioSnap Pool. That should do it. Scott -- Scott R. Garrigus - http://garrigus.com - SONAR X2 Power! - http://garrigus.com/?SonarX2Power * Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series: http://garrigus.com/?PowerBooks * Author of the Cakewalk Sonar ProAudioTutor video tutorial series: http://garrigus.com/?ProAudioTutor * Publisher of the DigiFreq free music technology newsletter: http://digifreq.com/?DigiFreq * Publisher of the NewTechReview free consumer technology newsletter: http://newtechreview.com/?NewTechReview
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Re:Groove Clip loop view - slicing. How do you do it?
2013/01/11 18:59:59
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Wow! Thanks a lot! Just, how do I get rid of the grid and markers from Audiosnap?
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Re:Groove Clip loop view - slicing. How do you do it?
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Re:Groove Clip loop view - slicing. How do you do it?
2013/01/11 19:08:41
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Sure did the trick. Thanks again Scott! I do apprecieate.
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Re:Groove Clip loop view - slicing. How do you do it?
2013/01/12 02:34:28
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There's a little quicker method with audiosnap as well.......
1. Change edit filter to "Audiosnap Transients"
2. Click on clip and open Audiosnap Palette if not already open(Press A)
3. Change resolution as required
4. Click on the "Split Clip into Beats" in the palette
5. Change filter back to clips
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Re:Groove Clip loop view - slicing. How do you do it?
2013/01/12 09:12:46
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There's a little quicker method with audiosnap as well.......
1. Change edit filter to "Audiosnap Transients"
2. Click on clip and open Audiosnap Palette if not already open(Press A)
3. Change resolution as required
4. Click on the "Split Clip into Beats" in the palette
5. Change filter back to clips
That's not a quicker method, it's a different method. It doesn't do the same thing as I described above. The method you described splits at the transient markers, not at the exact beats. The method I described uses the snap resolution to determine where splits will occur... on the exact beat no matter the location of the transient markers. Scott -- Scott R. Garrigus - http://garrigus.com - SONAR X2 Power! - http://garrigus.com/?SonarX2Power * Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series: http://garrigus.com/?PowerBooks * Author of the Cakewalk Sonar ProAudioTutor video tutorial series: http://garrigus.com/?ProAudioTutor * Publisher of the DigiFreq free music technology newsletter: http://digifreq.com/?DigiFreq * Publisher of the NewTechReview free consumer technology newsletter: http://newtechreview.com/?NewTechReview
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Re:Groove Clip loop view - slicing. How do you do it?
2013/01/12 10:23:06
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Good point but I was assuming the beats were on time. 
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Re:Groove Clip loop view - slicing. How do you do it?
2013/01/12 10:36:16
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The method I described uses the snap resolution to determine where splits will occur... on the exact beat no matter the location of the transient markers.
I assumed the OP was wanting to remove silence between the beats the transients are where he'd want the split to happen. Perhaps I'm confused about what he's trying to do.
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Re:Groove Clip loop view - slicing. How do you do it?
2013/01/12 19:21:45
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You're right FBB. I did try both methods (also split clip into beats) and that finally crashed Sonar. I had to record many guitar pieces all over again :-( and ended up just using the sonitus gate anyway. The thing with slicing the clips was to make the duration of the guitar chords even but I gave that up...
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Re:Groove Clip loop view - slicing. How do you do it?
2013/01/12 19:31:35
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Re:Groove Clip loop view - slicing. How do you do it?
2013/01/12 19:35:26
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The end chord from the guitar couldn't fade out because of the gate but that's another problem. Have to check my guitar cords and connections.
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