Groove Clips - what are the downsides?

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2015/03/07 17:07:12 (permalink)

Groove Clips - what are the downsides?

I am looking at the Groove Clip function. There seem to be a lot of good reasons to use. Any downsides? Why not just use them by default for all clips?
 
And is there any way to do that - set Sonar X3 so that any clip I create is a Groove Clip to start?
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    Re: Groove Clips - what are the downsides? 2015/03/07 20:22:08 (permalink)
    None whatsoever in my opinion.  One of the SONAR features I miss when I go into PT and other DAW programs.

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    Re: Groove Clips - what are the downsides? 2015/03/07 20:48:21 (permalink)
    Right, its a cool feature with no downside. 

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    Re: Groove Clips - what are the downsides? 2015/03/07 20:53:10 (permalink)
    Thanks. So can I make all clips Groove Clips by default.
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    Re: Groove Clips - what are the downsides? 2015/03/07 23:50:18 (permalink)
    There's no default setting that I'm aware of to do this.

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    Re: Groove Clips - what are the downsides? 2015/03/08 03:26:03 (permalink)
    plincoln
    Thanks. So can I make all clips Groove Clips by default.


    I think Ctrl-L will make any selected clip a Groove Clip.  You might be able to Select All and convert every clip at the same time. But the clips won't "stretch" properly if they are not exactly the right length.

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    Re: Groove Clips - what are the downsides? 2015/03/08 11:41:46 (permalink)
    I would recommend not converting a clip to a groove/acidized clip (they're the same thing) unless you need to change tempo or pitch. And if you do, bear in mind that converting to a groove clip does not always stretch optimally - in fact it rarely does. To me the incredible advantage SONAR offers over all other programs other than Sony Acid is that not only can it can read acidized files (most programs can do that), but after conversion to a groove clip you can edit it for optimal stretching.
     
    Some DSP/editing functions don't apply to groove clips. For example you can't use Melodyne on one, you have to convert it back to WAV anyway.
     
    Bottom line is I love groove clips and use them all the time, but converting regular clips to groove clips when not necessary won't help, and could hurt.
     

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    Re: Groove Clips - what are the downsides? 2015/03/11 05:18:38 (permalink)
    Thanks for all the input.  One more question in this vein. When I go to convert a clip to a Groove Clip I often get asked if I want to 'discard' hidden data beyond the slip edit points? What exactly is the hidden data that I am discarding?
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    Re: Groove Clips - what are the downsides? 2015/03/11 06:31:31 (permalink)
    Audio that's beyond the start and/or end points of the audio you've selected to turn into a groove clip.

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    Re: Groove Clips - what are the downsides? 2015/03/11 14:56:03 (permalink)
    I love Sonars Groove clipping ( Cntr L ) Sometimes it dosn't work correctly , but for the most part it dose just fine. I also like to bounce to clips after groove clipping on some clips, Thats so that you can Edit the clip at the new BPM ..

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    Re: Groove Clips - what are the downsides? 2015/03/11 22:40:36 (permalink)
    The biggest issue with groove clips is that the length of the clip is almost always calculated incorrectly.
    If your original clip is 16 beats ( 4 measures @ 4/4) be sure the groove clip is also 16 beats. More than likely it is not.
    MIDI groove clips are generally ok. It's that audio clips that get flaky.
    Speeding up the clips is generally fine. Slowing them down is another story. You can go about 15% before artifacts set in. Beyond that, the effect is fairly horrendous, and you  are better off retracking.
    That said, I do like groove clips. You just need to be aware of what is happening.

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    Re: Groove Clips - what are the downsides? 2015/03/12 09:17:24 (permalink)
    The reason why I provide both REX and Groove Clip files in loop libraries is that in general, REX files slow down more elegantly, while Groove Clips speed up more elegantly. However REX files work best with percussive sounds - anything sustained, particularly if it overlaps with other sounds, will not work well. Groove Clips will usually do a much better job.
     
    I also record files that I intend to use as Groove Clips at 100 BPM or slower.
     
    Finally, note that you can create pseudo-REX files in SONAR.

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    Re: Groove Clips - what are the downsides? 2015/03/13 04:39:26 (permalink)
    Thanks for all the feedback.
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