Guitar Rig 5 Recording a clean signal while playing a effects channel at the same time

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Guitar Rig 5 Recording a clean signal while playing a effects channel at the same time

Play Mean, Record Clean? Yep you can.
 
Hi, So I've had this issue for a while.
 
First off I wanna say Guitar Rig 5 is pretty sick. I've been a Line 6 fan for years. This thing is bending my arm. 
This may work with other stand alone guitar effects but i don't know cuz I haven't tried it with any other. 
 
Problem......
I wanna hear a dirty guitar sound while playing, yet want to record a clean signal so I can change the the effects after the fact. Hear the recording through different rigs to make the mix just right.
 
I found the solution.... Finally. 
 
Here is how I did it. 
 
  1. Plug guitar into audio interface directly. No pedals, nothing.
  2. Turn Direct monitoring switch off( if your interface has one. Mine does). Otherwise you will hear Just the clean signal or a mix of clean and the tone from Guitar Rig 5. Maybe with a latency delay. 
  3. Open up the stand alone Guitar Rig 5 and dial in whatever sound you think you want to record.(doesn't matter I'll explain later)
  4. Open up Sonar.
  5. Insert an audio track and arm it.
  6. When you play your guitar you should hear whatever tone you selected in your stand alone instance of Guitar Rig 5. Your signal is going in and out of your Stand alone Instance and back though your audio interface. 
  7. Record away.
  8. Playback recording. What? a clean sound? No effects? Do not Fear. That's good
  9. Insert Guitar Rig 5 in the fx section in the track you just recorded.
  10. Dial in the tone you want. The same one you dialed in earlier perhaps?
  11. Play back the track and Bam you have a clean recording running threw the fx channel giving you the tone that you want.
  12. Now play around with the effects, play your track for a minute, change to a different tone etc. till you get what you want with the rest of the mix. You'd be surprised with what you end up with compared to what you thought you wanted.
So the benefits are, if you play heavy stuff, chunky metal etc lime me. you can't very well play that style threw a clean channel. Forget it. If you play threw your guitar pedals to record you are stuck with whatever tone, re-verb etc you have dialed in your pedal forever. Your married to that tone. This way everything is adjustable. Everything! 
 
Finally you can bounce your track with the desired tone and bam you have the perfect guitar track for your mix. And a clean one for future reference or perhaps a dual tone. Two guitars playing the same riff with different tones? Panned out a little?  Now your rockin.
 
I just stumbled upon this solution the other night. I was wondering why cant I hear the effects chain "Live" instead of after the fact. It just came to me finally.
Hope this helps, Keep rockin \m/
 
 
 
 
 
 
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    mudgel
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    Re: Guitar Rig 5 Recording a clean signal while playing a effects channel at the same time 2014/12/06 00:40:25 (permalink)
    Or just insert G5 on your Sonar guitar track and press Input Echo. That's the setting for live monitoring and you still end up with a dry recording

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    Re: Guitar Rig 5 Recording a clean signal while playing a effects channel at the same time 2014/12/06 02:42:10 (permalink)
    mudgel
    Or just insert G5 on your Sonar guitar track and press Input Echo. That's the setting for live monitoring and you still end up with a dry recording



    When applied this way, you can think of Guitar Rig as always re-amping.

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    Re: Guitar Rig 5 Recording a clean signal while playing a effects channel at the same time 2014/12/06 03:39:50 (permalink)
    Is there a reason you ended up with this complicated method instead of the simple one you find in the manual?
    SONAR always records the clean signal as default.
     
    EDIT: Sorry. Missed the last line of your post. You had not read the manual
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    Re: Guitar Rig 5 Recording a clean signal while playing a effects channel at the same time 2014/12/06 06:14:54 (permalink)
    Yup, well done for finding a solution - but it was fixing a problem you didn't need to have. I am not having a go though. The other problem you may encounter using your method is that your audio driver is sharing itself between both Sonar AND an instance of GR5. This can lead to instability / latency problems with certain audio drivers should you ever change for other technical reasons.
     
    Mudgel has it spot on, put GR5 into the FX bin of your audio track for guitar, set the input for the appropriate input on your interface that your guitar is connected to, press input echo, and you are good to go. Guitar recorded clean, but plays back through GR5 and is directed back to your audio interface for your monitor output, job done.


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    Re: Guitar Rig 5 Recording a clean signal while playing a effects channel at the same time 2014/12/06 07:44:46 (permalink)
    Agree on just using input echo.  Since Guitar Rig is in the Fx bin, you can change all your settings after the fact, the signal is recorded clean.  I usually play around with my rig settings a little before recording to get the sound reasonably close, but go back and change the Guitar Rig settings after the fact, and during mixing.
     
    I DO like the standalone for playing around without running it through Sonar though.

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    Re: Guitar Rig 5 Recording a clean signal while playing a effects channel at the same time 2014/12/08 20:16:56 (permalink)
    Thanx for the easier way. I knew there was one but couldn't see, to find it. Makes sense to me.
     
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