yes I am connecting the rock frog using the usb connector. Can you elaborate more on the signal path and connections?

the option is stereo microphone (rock frog).

Looks like Steve's away for a bit.
Have you tried the WDM or ASIO driver mode with the Rock Frog?
Unlike most units of its type, it appears to support both. If you can get away from MME, you can reduce or eliminate that echo.
ASIO will alow only one active sound card, so if you use the ASIO mode, all of your input and output would have to go through the Rock Frog. That's where signal path comes in. Guitar>RockFrog>USB IN>Software(GTP3)>USB OUT>Speakers(Headphones).
WDM is slightly more flexible, and would allow you to send the output to your computer sound card and speakers.
Depending on what that sound card is, that may or may not be a good thing.
Since the Rock Frog claims to support ASIO, I would try it. If you can get your latency under 10ms, this is usually workable.
10ms is just at the threshold of perception, so you would probably notice it, but you can get used to it, and it's not unusable.

how would I go about reducing the latency? So far everything is functioning right on the graphics card I selected other than the delay/echo coming from the program.

MME driver mode

unfortunately the ASIO driver wont pick any sound up. MME is the only thing giving out sound.

edit: well it shows on there that there is a signal but no sound is coming out on the ASIO. The WDM shows no signal nor any sound coming out.

the meter for ASIO shows activity, I did make sure recording and playback is rock frog. The headphone output on the rock frog is being occupied by my amplifier, that is essentially my speaker. Right now on MME I get a clear sound now, but I still get clipping and delay. The sound is clear and it doesnt echo anymore. the meter is reaching max with just a simple strum but I get roughly a 1 second delay.

when I check the I/O setting on the audio driver check, it shows its using rockfrog, but when the progam starts it says that the rock frog driver was unable to be used and it shows that there is no input in use.


edit: seems like ASIO driver is going to be best to cut back the delay and clipping the max latency. Only thing needing to do is getting the sound to appear with the activity on the meter.

pete, you'd best get back to washing the dishes. Maybe the waitresses will share their tips.
WN, keep working it. The signal is getting in, you just need to get it out.
Unfortunately, I can't see what you see. We may be missing something small, but important.
It's possible the Frog isn't quite what it looks like on paper, but let's not write it off just yet.
Step away from it for a bit, or sleep on it. Steve or Doc may pick up on something I'm missing.
Keep the faith.

ORIGINAL: RobertB

pete, you'd best get back to washing the dishes. Maybe the waitresses will share their tips.

Robert, maybe you should try to be more polite and not be so rude. I don't believe that you have a rock frog do you?
You also never purchased Guitar Tracks have you? How long have you been running the demo of it? You'd think that you would have bought the real version by now.

The symptoms that are shown here are an incompatibilty to the rock frog and the classic inefficient GT code latency. More CPU and a better soundcard would help.

Ninja,

I'd like you to try something. And excuse me if I go through everything step by step. This is just so you'll have a check list as you go through the process of setting everything up. So, here we go....

1. Open GTP3 Select Options > Audio

2. Go to the Advanced Tab. Under playback and recording select ASIO. Make sure the check box next to Share Drivers With Other Programs is un-checked then Click Ok

3. A pop up will appear stating that you have to restart the program for the changes to take effect. Click Ok.

4. Close GTP3

5. Re-open GTP3. Go to Options > Audio.

6. Go to the Drivers tab and make sure only the drivers for the Rock Frog are highlighted. Any other deselect by clicking on them.

7. Go to the General tab and set the playback and recording timing masters to the Rock Frog.

8. In the same tab open the ASIO Panel by clicking on the ASIO Panel button.

9. In the next window there will be settings for latency. the ASIO panel will be Rock Frog specific. The settings might be called buffer size or something else. In either case you will want to buffer size to be small or set the setting to more device or what ever Rock Frog calls the ASIO setting. Click Ok when Done and OK again for the Audio Options dialog box.

10. This optional but recommended. Close GTP3 and reopen. I do this just to make sure the settings take. I usually go back and double check the settings as well.

11. Go to Console view and select tracks 1-16 by clicking on the 1-16 button. At the top of each channel strip under the track number is the input selection. If you click on it it will give you the options for your Rock Frog Inputs. Make sure that you have your desired input selected.

12. at the bottom of each channel strip is an output selection which is located right under the fader. You can select the Rock Frog or a sub group to patch the signal to. make your desired selection. Do this for every channel strip you intend to use for the recording.

13. Next click on the BUS button to show all your subs and AUX channel strips. Make sure that at the bottom of each one the output is the Rock Frog.

14. Next make sure the Audio engine in on. You can find this on the transport controls. It will be towards the center, second button to the right of the record button. It should be green in color when activated.

15. Attempt a recording and see if you get a monitored sound out. If so you have success. If not there is one more thing to try.

The one more thing is to disable the onboard (in-built) sound card. To do this right click on My Computer. Select properties. Next select the hardware tab and then click on Device Manager. In the next window look for the "+" next to Sound, video and game controllers. Click on the "+" sign to expand the menu. Find the on board sound card (usually RealTek AC97 or the like). and right click on it. Select disable and it will ask you if you are sure you want to do this. Click yes. It will go through it's process to shut the card down. When finished it will have a red "X" over the device. Close the window and then click ok on the system properties window. And retry GTP3 after closing and opening.

Let us know how you make out with this.

Holy crap. Thank you doc, robert, and steve for your guides/help. I'm now fully functional with my drivers and it has no delay anymore. I appreciate the help and support. I will save this guide for further reference. =D


edit:there is a slight bit of clipping still, any suggestions on which latency setting would be most efficient?

That's good to see, Ninja.
Are you using the ASIO drivers?
The early USB devices like this were pretty weak. It looks like the Frog has been developed more, and may be promising for people looking for portability.
I have to admit, I was sceptical at first, but the specs looked potenetial, so it seemed worthwhile to see what it can do before we suggest you abandon it. Glad to see it worked out.
As for the clipping, try to determine whether it is buffer related (usually a rhythmic ticking), or actual clipping (directly related to louder notes).
Try turning the volume knob(s) down on your guitar, and check your levels wherever you have a meter.
Is your latency setting in ms or buffer size?
If the ticking is related to latency (and buffer size), try the next larger increment. It can be a bit of trial and error to find the right balance on a particular system.
When recording at low latency, keep effects to a minimum, especially reverbs.
Once you are done recording, you can increase the latency, and start adding effects. Latency is not an issue when mixing, and this gives your computer more room to breath.

Use separate tracks, then you'll have full flexibility when it comes to mixing; panning volume, adding effects etc.

When you've got your mix how you want it go to;

1) Edit
2) Select all
3) Export audio
4) Choose 44100 sample rate, 16 bit depth, stereo riff wav file
5) Choose a destination on your hard-drive for the file and hit export

The Wav file is best for burning to CD, and can also be converted to an MP3

Have fun!

I just bought the GTP3 and was having the same problems as below. I bought more RAM for my computer as well as an extrenal audio interface (M-Audio Fast Track). I have all of it connected and all is working great when I use GTP3, but when I go to record all sound is gone and the clock on the record timer goes about a hundred miles a minute. I have tried everything I can think of. Can someone Help!!!!