Guitar part not going through.

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2013/07/17 20:04:02 (permalink)

Guitar part not going through.

Hello all.  I just purchased the Steam version of Music Creator 6 Touch today due to a great sale they had this morning ($16).  As a GarageBand user, I like the similar layout and it seems pretty easy to use.  My problem is that I cannot get the program to "hear" my guitar playing.  They don't seem to be talking.
 
The setup I've got going is the guitar plugged into a DigiTech processor with an audio cable connecting from it's headphone "out" jack to the headphone "in" jack on my Windows 7 PC desktop.  Essentially, it's the same setup I've been using successfully for years with GarageBand and my MacBook.
 
I've read through the setup directions and the problem is that Music Creator doesn't give me any options under any of the tracks to select anything other than "None" as an input.  I think I'm supposed to see "Right", "Left" and some other things under there from what I've read.  

 
So, Music Creator doesn't seem to be hearing the guitar input although it appears to be setup in Windows 7 just fine as a microphone.  And when I chose the option to listen to the microphone under it's properties, I can hear the guitar just fine through my computer's speakers.  (The green bars on the right show show the live audio being played by the guitar)

 
So, if anybody has any suggestions, I sure would appreciate it.  I feel like I might be missing something fairly simple that a more experienced user could easily detect.
 
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    Re: Guitar part not going through. 2013/07/17 20:41:13 (permalink)
    Welcome to the forum.
    Press P on the computer keyboard and find 'Input Device'.
    If the mic input is there but not selected, select it.

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    Re: Guitar part not going through. 2013/07/17 21:00:33 (permalink)
    Hi Greg,
     
    I do have microphone selected and it's my only option.  Should be correct too as it's worded exactly the same as the working live microphone in Windows 7 Control Panel> Hardware and Sound> Sound> Recording - "Realtek High Definition Audio".
    Any other ideas?
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    Re: Guitar part not going through. 2013/07/18 02:25:58 (permalink)
    Just to confirm: It is an audio track you're trying to record on, not MIDI?
    What are your driver and record/playback timing master -settings in "Preferences"?
     

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    Re: Guitar part not going through. 2013/07/18 08:20:08 (permalink)
    Have you run the wave profiler? It should list the devices (input and output) is sees and selecting the one the guitar is connected to should give you sound.
     
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    Re: Guitar part not going through. 2013/07/18 09:45:51 (permalink)
    Thanks for all the suggestions.  
     
    When I installed Music Creator 6 Touch on my Windows 7 PC yesterday, upon opening it, the first thing I did was plug in my Cad USB microphone.  Once I got that working, I plugged in my guitar to the 3.55 mm microphone input as I described above and then disconnected the USB Cad mic.  I ran the audio profiler every time I made any kind of hardware switch like this.  And as I described, even though Windows 7 could hear the guitar part through "Realtek High Definition Audio" (the 3.55 mm microphone input), Music Creator 6 could not even though I had that selected as the recording device.
     
    Anyways, this morning, I plugged in the USB Cad mic and low and behold, Music Creator could now hear the guitar through "Realtek High Definition Audio" (the 3.55 mm microphone input).  For some reason, even though I wasn't using the USB Cad mic, Music Creator needed it to be plugged in for it to hear what was coming through the 3.55 mm microphone input.
     
    So everything appears to be working now.  I can switch back and forth between the two audio recording sources and they both work great.  However, I suspect that if I unplug the USB mic again I will probably lose my 3.55 mm microphone input.  So if anybody has any suggestions for cleaning that part up, I would appreciate it.  I've ran the audio profiler at least 20 times to try to straighten out the hardware changes I've made.
     
    Thanks!
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    Re: Guitar part not going through. 2013/07/18 12:44:47 (permalink)
    There's the likely problem.....   having the USB mic plugged in.
     
    I'm pretty sure MC6 can only deal with one sound card at a time. It sees the USB mic as a sound card (which it is) and you're trying to also use the factory sound card at the same time. 
     
    This is the reason most of us do not use the factory card, but choose instead to use a dedicated USB audio interface. That way, there is only one card and one timing signal to worry with. We use the interface for input and output and do not use the factory card for anything with recording.
     
    Apparently, MC6 is using the soundcard in the USB mic to process the signals. That's OK... kind of.  A problem might occur during play back because I doubt that you are using the USB mic sound card for playback.....likely you play back on the factory card. Since the timing is not going to be synced between the two, there may be playback sync issues. Then again, maybe not.
     
    The solution is of course to purchase a dedicated sound card/interface to handle all input and output for MC6. You set it up one time, and from that point on it comes up running flawlessly. There is a huge difference between a USB mic (not the best solution by far) and a dedicated USB interface such as something made by Focusrite, M-Audio, Presonus, Roland, etc..... a huge difference.
     
    However, if you're short on money, and what you have works, even though it's a PITA, use it while you save for a better interface.

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    Re: Guitar part not going through. 2013/07/18 14:07:35 (permalink)
    Good advice, thanks.
    Actually, the Cad USB mic has been an issue since I bought it a few months ago.  Windows 7 sees it as a recording device but also a playback device (??).  Using it with GarageBand on my Mac, I had a ton of latency which is why I decided to try Music Creator.  I'll give the current setup a try for awhile.  The sound quality is really good and I love the interface of the software.
    Thanks again.
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