KainThornn
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RE: Guitars and photography
November 23, 08 5:03 PM
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BTFS is a new nut. It's a shelf nut with a slight overhang. Frankly, I'd be very skeptical of a lawsuit claim by either company against the other. BTFS doesn't have the different shelf lengths for each string, and Earvana doesn't have the patented intonation offsets. If they work, they work. That's the first clear look at BFTS I've seen. Now I see. BFTS and Earvana use the same concepts, but execute them from opposite ends.
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RE: Guitars and photography
November 23, 08 5:06 PM
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Whatever happened to just adjusting the intonation at the bridge? This seems like just another gimmick.
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KainThornn
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RE: Guitars and photography
November 23, 08 5:43 PM
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ORIGINAL: pistolpete
Whatever happened to just adjusting the intonation at the bridge? This seems like just another gimmick.
Both designs alter the bridge to nut setups and remove notes that are a hair sour here and there. I've used Earvana and I can say without fear of contradiction it's works quite well.
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RE: Guitars and photography
November 28, 08 2:30 PM
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Buzz and Earvana both work to fix intonation. I tried the e-nut and it helped a lot, too, and it was uber cheap. It is a tall fret that you place right up against the nut, effectively adding a shelf to it. But you have to cut the nut notches deeper, so if you remove the e-nut you will have to have a new nut installed.
I just wonder why the manufacturers don't fix the problem themselves by moving the nut a hair closer to the first fret? It would go a long way towards solving the inherent intonation problems with even-tempered fretted instruments. They already install compensated saddles in acoustic guitars, so why not install compensated nuts, too? Even if it is only an approximation depending on string gauge etc, it would be a big improvement.
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RE: Guitars and photography
November 28, 08 2:31 PM
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ORIGINAL: FlySig
I just wonder why the manufacturers don't fix the problem themselves by moving the nut a hair closer to the first fret? It would go a long way towards solving the inherent intonation problems with even-tempered fretted instruments. They already install compensated saddles in acoustic guitars, so why not install compensated nuts, too? Even if it is only an approximation depending on string gauge etc, it would be a big improvement.
Because most guitars are made in China now and they don't give a crap about quality.
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FlySig
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RE: Guitars and photography
November 28, 08 2:33 PM
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Oh yeah. Jessie, that is a superb photo!
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KainThornn
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RE: Guitars and photography
November 28, 08 3:11 PM
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I just wonder why the manufacturers don't fix the problem themselves by moving the nut a hair closer to the first fret? It would go a long way towards solving the inherent intonation problems with even-tempered fretted instruments. They already install compensated saddles in acoustic guitars, so why not install compensated nuts, too? Even if it is only an approximation depending on string gauge etc, it would be a big improvement.
Because most guitars are made in China now and they don't give a crap about quality.
My Fender was made in the USA, most high end guitars I've seen are also made in the USA, with the exception of ESP and Ibanez. Only the bottom end models are made in China. I'm guessing you have a lot of experience with Chinese guitars?
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Jessie Sammler
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RE: Guitars and photography
November 28, 08 3:29 PM
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Pete is the ultimate expert on all topics; just ask him. He knows about Chinese food, Chinese dynastic artifacts, Chinese communism, Chinese capitalism, Chinese democracy, Chinese fire drills, and especially Chinese guitars. 
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KainThornn
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November 28, 08 3:33 PM
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Pete is the ultimate expert on all topics; just ask him. He knows about Chinese food, Chinese dynastic artifacts, Chinese communism, Chinese capitalism, Chinese democracy, Chinese fire drills, and especially Chinese guitars.
Oooh can he teach me kung fu?
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RE: Guitars and photography
November 28, 08 6:01 PM
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ORIGINAL: KainThornn
Oooh can he teach me kung fu?
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RobertB
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RE: Guitars and photography
November 28, 08 7:27 PM
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Wax on...wax off. I'm guessing you have a lot of experience with Chinese guitars? Somebody's got to load them on the tour bus.
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November 28, 08 7:30 PM
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RE: Guitars and photography
November 28, 08 9:29 PM
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RE: Guitars and photography
November 29, 08 3:04 PM
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No, sorry I don't own any Chinese made guitars.
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RE: Guitars and photography
November 29, 08 3:08 PM
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No, sorry I don't own any Chinese made guitars.
Q. Remove two words to get a true statement! A. Chinese; made
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RobertB
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RE: Guitars and photography
November 29, 08 3:08 PM
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There seems to be some question as to whether you own (or play) any guitars at all.
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RE: Guitars and photography
November 29, 08 3:10 PM
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LOL - great minds think alike eh Bob!! PS, SONAR 8 came today 
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RE: Guitars and photography
November 29, 08 3:16 PM
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LOL - great minds think alike eh Bob!!
PS, SONAR 8 came today
Good, maybe you can litter up that forum thread with your photoshop junk instead.
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RE: Guitars and photography
November 29, 08 3:17 PM
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You beat me by 9 seconds  Enjoy Sonar 8! Make sure you get the patches. So far, my only real snag is it doesn't like FreeAmp2, which I use a lot.
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pistolpete
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RE: Guitars and photography
November 29, 08 3:21 PM
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You beat me by 9 seconds
Actually 6hrs 59min and 51 seconds since I'm several timezones ahead of you.
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RE: Guitars and photography
November 29, 08 3:23 PM
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Make sure you get the patches.
Will do mate - I gather you do them both in order, the 02 patch isn't a fix all is it? ORIGINAL: pistolpete
ORIGINAL: RobertB
You beat me by 9 seconds
Actually 6hrs 59min and 51 seconds since I'm several timezones ahead of you.
And what's the weather like on this particular planet?
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RE: Guitars and photography
November 29, 08 3:28 PM
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Wow, pete. Nearly 7 hours. What are you using, a 300 baud modem?
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RE: Guitars and photography
November 29, 08 3:30 PM
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Now that is what I call latent!
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November 29, 08 3:31 PM
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Steve, you do need to run them in order.
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November 29, 08 3:31 PM
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RE: Guitars and photography
November 29, 08 3:32 PM
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Its been cool here but not terribly cold. At night its been just cool enough to frost, and during the day breezy and cool, about 5C or so. That's the weather on my planet.
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RE: Guitars and photography
November 29, 08 3:39 PM
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Look out the window - is it raining?
(Pull back the curtains first)
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RE: Guitars and photography
November 29, 08 3:39 PM
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about 5C or so Digital thermometer outside the hostel, pete?
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RE: Guitars and photography
November 29, 08 3:42 PM
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about 5C or so
Digital thermometer outside the hostel, pete?
LOL - hey Pete, you've dropped out of stealth mode!
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November 29, 08 3:43 PM
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No hostels nearby Robert, sorry.
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