psi777
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Guru under P5 v2
so I picked up a copy of fxPansion Guru and an M-Audio Trigger Finger thing yesterday...just seemed like a natural combination.
I tried firing them up under P5 (v2), and found that while Guru runs under P5, and I can trigger the Guru samples from the virtual keyboard in the editor window, the MIDI triggers will not trigger the Guru sounds when I hit them. The MIDI triggers will trigger other synths just fine. Or, I can record a MIDI track using the M-Audio, going to the Guru synth, and while I do not hear anything while I record, everything plays back just fine.
I am able to use the Trigger Finger + Guru combination under Sonar or Cubase just fine....or, like I said, I can use the Trigger Finger with any other synth under P5 just fine....so this appears to be a P5 + Guru problem.
Anyone else running Guru under P5? Any similar problems? Suggestions?
TIA
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wrench45us
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RE: Guru under P5 v2
2005/08/23 15:54:48
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i'd send an e-mail to fxPansion asap and secondly to Cakewalk and someone else will be along shortly to review your configuration options perhaps someone who already owns at least one of these products. just for future reference, never expect 2 new pieces of equipment to work together immediately. always one, then the other. i have nothing really to add except if you get really impatient and upset and want to throw Trigger Finger out, I'd be willing to relieve you of your frustration and arrange for shipping
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mike85021
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RE: Guru under P5 v2
2005/08/23 16:26:05
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ORIGINAL: psi777
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....a P5 + Guru problem.
Anyone else running Guru under P5? Any similar problems? I'm sorry that I'm not going to be much help, even though my original experience was the same as yours. Fortunately I got them running together, unfortunately I haven't got a clue what I did, other than changing different settings until I was about blind and it started working.
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RE: Guru under P5 v2
2005/08/23 18:14:42
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Anyone else running Guru under P5? Any similar problems? Suggestions? Just a guess, Cyrus (I don't have Guru), but it sounds like you've got some combination of ports, MIDI channels, and/or MIDI Override blocking the input from getting through. Most hardware defaults to transmitting on MIDI channel 1, and most software is set to receive Omni (all 16 channels), or on channel 1. Perhaps Guru is expecting something else by default, or your P5 settings prevent it from getting there. if you get really impatient and upset and want to throw Trigger Finger out, I'd be willing to relieve you of your frustration and arrange for shipping I'll go ya' one better: I'll come pick it up ... for Jan (of course). What in the world would I do with a second Trigger Finger? Hmm ... I'd tell you, but we haven't got that kind of time.
post edited by b rock - 2005/08/23 18:21:23
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psi777
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RE: Guru under P5 v2
2005/08/23 18:28:32
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Fortunately I got them running together, unfortunately I haven't got a clue what I did, other than changing different settings until I was about blind and it started working. well...if I understand correctly that you have Trigger Finger + Guru + P5 up and running, but initially had the same problem, then that's very enouraging...if not very helpful ;) At least that lets me know that it is possible, so I'll keep poking away until I stumble upon your magic fix. and sorry guys, no chance I'm giving up my new toys...like I said, I have this all running under Sonar without a hitch, and it is the sh*t.
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mike85021
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RE: Guru under P5 v2
2005/08/23 18:32:53
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ORIGINAL: psi777
Fortunately I got them running together, unfortunately I haven't got a clue what I did, other than changing different settings until I was about blind and it started working.
well...if I understand correctly that you have Trigger Finger + Guru + P5 up and running, but initially had the same problem, then that's very enouraging...if not very helpful ;)
At least that lets me know that it is possible, so I'll keep poking away until I stumble upon your magic fix.
and sorry guys, no chance I'm giving up my new toys...like I said, I have this all running under Sonar without a hitch, and it is the sh*t.
No trigger finger. Sorry. But whatever I did had something to do with the way the MIDI channels were set (i'm at work so I'm jsut muddying the waters, probably). I think the default on GURU was CH 10, and on P5 was CH 1 or OMNI.
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RE: Guru under P5 v2
2005/08/23 18:33:45
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don't own either try midi channel 10
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RE: Guru under P5 v2
2005/08/23 18:52:20
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I'll chime in here and mention something BRock did which may solve the problem.
I've noticed with Sonar moreso than P5, but I suspect it's similar, that if I add a new MIDI device (which you have, the Trigger Finger), the application doesn't always seem to know which MIDI port was doing what previously.
So I would definitely recheck your MIDI device setup to resolve this.
Example: Let's save I have 2 control surfaces and/or input devices.
When I boot P5 (or Sonar), it sees them and all is well.
Now I add a new device.
P5/Sonar sees it, but doesn't remember the other's already assigned assignments.
So my control surface #2 may get the wrong port assignment by the new device taking it's entry point.
If I'm being clear (I hope I am), just go in and check all your device settings again in case this is what has happened.
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Angus_FX
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RE: Guru under P5 v2
2005/08/24 05:23:06
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Yep, it's a MIDI channels thing.
GURU is multi timbral, and the engines receive on ch 1..8. Trigger Finger by default sends on ch 10. Some hosts (Cubase) re-channelize all inbound MIDI data by default, I guess P5 does not.
I have an Engima template (if you're not aware of this already, Enigma is the setup-editor for the Trigger Finger and other newer M-Audio gear) for running GURU from the Trigger Finger -- it's a kick-ass combination, even better with GURU is *two* Trigger Fingers (one for triggering samples, one for switching Scenes). Email me and I'll send you the Enigma template.
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RE: Guru under P5 v2
2005/08/24 05:53:33
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ORIGINAL: mike85021
ORIGINAL: psi777
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....a P5 + Guru problem.
Anyone else running Guru under P5? Any similar problems?
I'm sorry that I'm not going to be much help, even though my original experience was the same as yours.
Fortunately I got them running together, unfortunately I haven't got a clue what I did, other than changing different settings until I was about blind and it started working.
This is the type of fix I often refer to as "Voodoo". It's either that or the Pixie Dust that did it.  I can't begin to count the number of times I've fixed things on my own systems and other people's without having a clue what I did that fixed it. "Well I just put on my pointy hat with the stars on it, wave a wand, jump down, turn around, pick a bail a' cotton".
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b rock
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RE: Guru under P5 v2
2005/08/24 06:11:05
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What in the world would I do with a second Trigger Finger?
Hmm ... I'd tell you, but we haven't got that kind of time.
it's a kick-ass combination, even better with GURU is *two* Trigger Fingers (one for triggering samples, one for switching Scenes). Ladies & gentlemen of the Forum, I rest my case. Dueling Trigger Fingers it is; one more step towards the final goal of the 5000 Fingers of Dr. B. Thanks for reminder that the TF defaults to sending over Channel 10, Angus. What's up with that? You'd think that this unit was intended as a drum trigger or something ...
post edited by b rock - 2005/08/24 06:20:09
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mike85021
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RE: Guru under P5 v2
2005/08/24 07:14:47
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ORIGINAL Angus_FX
...even better with GURU is *two* Trigger Fingers (one for triggering samples, one for switching Scenes.
... Oh Oh! Who wuz it that was so in love with Trigger Finger they were wondering if it was possible to use two? More gear lust!
post edited by mike85021 - 2005/08/24 07:23:56
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wrench45us
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RE: Guru under P5 v2
2005/08/24 07:59:41
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cripers, people will have 2 and it'll be Xmas before I have one
i just have to tell myself i really have more than enough toys to stay busy and haven't even learned those yet
that was awfully nice of Angus to stop by wasn't it?
not to mention the free offer of a template
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ba_midi
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RE: Guru under P5 v2
2005/08/24 13:44:02
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Hi Angus, Always nice to see you around  I create my own Enigma setups, but others certainly may be interested. Thanks for the offer though! ORIGINAL: Angus_FX
Yep, it's a MIDI channels thing.
GURU is multi timbral, and the engines receive on ch 1..8. Trigger Finger by default sends on ch 10. Some hosts (Cubase) re-channelize all inbound MIDI data by default, I guess P5 does not.
I have an Engima template (if you're not aware of this already, Enigma is the setup-editor for the Trigger Finger and other newer M-Audio gear) for running GURU from the Trigger Finger -- it's a kick-ass combination, even better with GURU is *two* Trigger Fingers (one for triggering samples, one for switching Scenes). Email me and I'll send you the Enigma template.
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psi777
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RE: Guru under P5 v2
2005/08/24 13:44:57
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I have an Engima template (if you're not aware of this already, Enigma is the setup-editor for the Trigger Finger and other newer M-Audio gear) for running GURU from the Trigger Finger -- it's a kick-ass combination, even better with GURU is *two* Trigger Fingers (one for triggering samples, one for switching Scenes). Email me and I'll send you the Enigma template. Awesome....and yes, I'd love to get a hold of that template. didn't see you email address, so I'm taking a wild guess and trying angus(at)fxpansion(dot)com if that's not right, I'm at psirus777(at)hotmail(dot)com thank you so much.
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RE: Guru under P5 v2
2005/08/24 16:59:21
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RE: Guru under P5 v2
2005/08/24 17:53:26
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As long as we're having a Trigger Finger Worship Service, here's a handy mounting solution (sorry wrench, won't work on a T.V. stand). 
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psi777
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RE: Guru under P5 v2
2005/08/25 12:52:29
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Just as a follow-up to my own question:
Yes, strange behavior had to do with the Tigger Finger defaulting to MIDI channel 10. Now have everything up and running wonderfully.
Still not entirely sure why I was unable to trigger the Guru samples, yet WAS able to record a MIDI part which played back under Guru just fine...I guess that P5 was recording MIDI omni data, but Guru wasn't getting the omni data directly, then when P5 played back the part THEN it got through ok...whatever...just as long as it's working for me.
Thanks everyone for the help...and esp. Angus, for the Guru template.
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