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Guys - I need some help recreating about 10 seconds of sound from a classic prog tune
Hi - I am working up a recreated version of a Dixie Dregs song, called Night Meets Light, with real guitar and everything else midi. In the early part of the song, there is some sort of a synth bass part that comes in a little after the 30-second mark, and then the tone changes as it is played over about the next 10 seconds, where there is distortion added to the sound. I am trying to figure out how I can recreate that sound, using the soft-synths and effects that I have. Here is a link to the song in YouTube, and the synth bass part starts coming in around between 30 seconds and about 40 seconds into the song. Over that 10-seconds the distortion gets cranked up on the sound, but it doesn't actually get much louder, just more distorted. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxkVD5Ol1wQ My soft synths include Native Instruments Komplete 8 Ultimate (Kontakt 5, Reaktor, Massive, FM8, Absynth), and I also have the Arturia V Collection (recreations of Minimoog, Modular Moog, Arp 2600, Juno 8, Prophet, CS80, Oberheim SEM), as well as what comes with Sonar X3 Producer. I can't quite figure out what T Lavitz originally used for this - it seems like he used a Minimoog for a lot of things, but I cannot quite get the sound quite right. Thank you SOOO much for any attempts at assisting me with this - it is a project from the heart I am doing for a guitar playing friend of mine (he is playing all of the Steve Morse guitar parts for our rendition of it), and I am adding drums, bass, violin, synth bass, and keyboard lead for the project. It is a beautiful song, and I want to give it my best shot. Bob Bone
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Re: Guys - I need some help recreating about 10 seconds of sound from a classic prog tune
2014/09/26 22:07:41
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As a guess, I suspect it's a regular synth bass that has velocity set to open up the filter cutoff.
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Re: Guys - I need some help recreating about 10 seconds of sound from a classic prog tune
2014/09/27 01:58:51
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Maybe I can do it that way - thanks - I will give it a shot tomorrow. The original Minimoog didn't have any sort of velocity, if I recall correctly. We had to do all that with the modulation wheel - of course that makes sense now that I think about it - I'll try that. Remind me to put you in my will. :) Bob Bone
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Re: Guys - I need some help recreating about 10 seconds of sound from a classic prog tune
2014/09/27 02:15:18
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If he was using a MM for that sound, he probably messed with the filter via the knobs ...assuming it was all done live on the album.So yeah, any mod source to open up the filter - mod wheel, vel, AT if you have it, an envelope. Can also go with a clone track, send the clone through a distorted amp sim and do a long Xfade.... but that's cheating
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Re: Guys - I need some help recreating about 10 seconds of sound from a classic prog tune
2014/09/27 09:51:24
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Thanks for your help - I will give it all a shot this afternoon and post back later on. Bob Bone
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Re: Guys - I need some help recreating about 10 seconds of sound from a classic prog tune
2014/09/27 11:15:22
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That most likely is a Minimoog, with the cutoff frequency being adjusted while playing. I wouldn't expect it to be difficult to achieve with your Arturia Moog emulation.
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Re: Guys - I need some help recreating about 10 seconds of sound from a classic prog tune
2014/09/27 11:47:24
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Thanks guys - my son came over last night, and after literally 12 hours in the studio, he crashed HARD, so I will chill out for a bit and play some Black Ops 2 until he wakes up, and will then give this all a try. I did manage to hook up a couple of additional speakers down there while he was snoozing, and am now just going through plugin updates and such, and some COD. Bob Bone
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Re: Guys - I need some help recreating about 10 seconds of sound from a classic prog tune
2014/10/01 18:41:05
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one of my favorite dregs tunes..... saw them play this one live at least 5 different times..... please post in the songs forum when you get done
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Re: Guys - I need some help recreating about 10 seconds of sound from a classic prog tune
2014/10/01 19:45:06
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Thanks - it would be my honor to have you listen to it. It will likely be November or so until it gets done, as I am moving in 2 days, and I also will separately be heading to Chicago - 900 miles of driving each way - for the month of October. As soon as it is done, I promise I will post it. If interested, I am also working up midi versions of: UK - In the Dead of Night Jean Luc Ponty - Mirage Bill Bruford - Fainting in Coils, Sample and Hold, Palewell Park Dixie Dregs - Twiggs Approved - and eventually also I'm Freaking Out. I will keep you posted. Thanks again for the interest :) Bob Bone
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Re: Guys - I need some help recreating about 10 seconds of sound from a classic prog tune
2014/10/01 19:48:30
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Hey - Batsbrew - I just checked out your tunes - WOW. I am absolutely FLOORED by how great those songs sound. Check you PM's in a couple of minutes, Bob Bone
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Re: Guys - I need some help recreating about 10 seconds of sound from a classic prog tune
2014/10/01 19:57:32
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sounds like your progressive tastes are right up my alley... i have favorites, but i like everything from atomic rooster to zappa. LOL i'd say, dregs, brand x, diMeola, holdsworth, Ponty, weather Report, could all be listed as early influences
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Re: Guys - I need some help recreating about 10 seconds of sound from a classic prog tune
2014/10/01 20:57:31
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Hope you checked your PM's...... Bob Bone
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