mgarrett010461
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HELP: Audio File Recovery
Did a live recording yesterday, outdoors, laptop, sound guy pulled the plug as I was about to hit the save button. Laptop died, wiyhout hibernating or anything (battery was dead, my own fault....) About 2 hours of audio.... Project was created, the session was not saved. The folder is there, the two audio tracks are there but small , they are about 175K an cannot be opened. They should be anout 2g each. Is there any way to recover the audio files?? FRUSTRATED..... Did I not select the auto save every 5 minute option or what.... is that even possible with streaming audio?? Cakwalk developer, if not figure it out and write a patent.... I'll sign all the required documents, split the profit 50/50..... mcg
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daveny5
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RE: HELP: Audio File Recovery
2007/09/09 10:20:27
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Did you have autosave on? If you didn't select that option, that's your fault not Cakewalk's fault. You could have set it up to save every 10 minutes or so. Also, you could have hit CTRL-S anytime during the recording (preferably between songs) which would have saved up to that point. Search your audio folder to see if there are any autosave files or any Cxxxxxxxxx.wav files there from the time of the recording. Otherwise...... LESSON LEARNED!
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RE: HELP: Audio File Recovery
2007/09/09 10:26:25
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this may not help but i deleted some files in error a few weeks ago, and i was able to recover them using a free utility that i found through google. i am at a different computer right now, but i think i did a search for something like "lost file recovery free software" or something along those lines. the first free utility that i tried worked. by the way these were files that i had deleted, and then i had emptied my recycling bin...they included some sonar project files and some reason files as well. it helped to be able to search with the utility using the correct file extensions, ie- for sonar files i searched for ".cwp" good luck
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mgarrett010461
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RE: HELP: Audio File Recovery
2007/09/09 10:28:13
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Lesson Learned for sure.... I don't mean to blame Cakewalk, I love the program feel its the best one out there. I dod not configure it specificaaly to auto save, my fault.. I though it defaulted (my fault.....). I know its a BONEHEADED problem, should have a working battery at the least, hibernating would have been recoverable. I was on stage, so I could not hit control-s..... AUtosave is the correct way to fix the issue, and would have saved me.. Specifically I am wondering of there is a way to recover the files. (Not a sonar problem, an operator problem....). mcg
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daveny5
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RE: HELP: Audio File Recovery
2007/09/09 10:46:32
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CWP files aren't going to help you because you need the audio tracks and the audio tracks are not stored in a CWP file. A CWP only contains the MIDI tracks, mixer settings and pointers to the audio tracks, but not the tracks themselves. I recommend you search your hard drive for *.WAV and look for files saved at the time of your concert. Sonar saves the audio tracks in files named like Cxxxxxxxx.WAV. Its possible that Sonar saved some audio files as you were recording to conserve memory and those may be on your hard drive.
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RE: HELP: Audio File Recovery
2007/09/09 10:52:39
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mgarrett010461
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RE: HELP: Audio File Recovery
2007/09/09 17:14:59
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OK, I have found the autosave and versioning intellegence built into Sonar which I will now use the NEXT TIME..... DOH. The cwp project did not get saved because I never saved it. In the Audio file for the project, there are two files, of about the correct length for the project, 758 Meg each... When I try to import the files into a project that has what I think are the correct parameters, it says that the format is incorrect. I have a feeling that the data is in those files... but since the files never got officially saved, there is some kin of isue. I tried some of the utilizites that have been suggested, without success. The files were recorded at 44100, 16 bit (I recorded the band before us with the same setup) when I create a project I get the same error. Also, when I try to drag the corrupt files into the project which is working I get the same error. The origianl audio for that project plays fine. HMM, I need to repair those two wave files, probably by somehow 'closing' them..... Michael
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RE: HELP: Audio File Recovery
2007/09/09 18:11:30
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I'd be willing to take a look at those corrupt files and see if I can salvage them for you. Let me know.
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RE: HELP: Audio File Recovery
2007/09/09 19:39:49
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ORIGINAL: mgarrett010461 The cwp project did not get saved because I never saved it. In the Audio file for the project, there are two files, of about the correct length for the project, 758 Meg each... When I try to import the files into a project that has what I think are the correct parameters, it says that the format is incorrect. I have a feeling that the data is in those files... but since the files never got officially saved, there is some kin of issue. I tried some of the utilizes that have been suggested, without success. The files were recorded at 44100, 16 bit (I recorded the band before us with the same setup) when I create a project I get the same error. You just need some audio editing software that can import RAW wave format like Adobe Audition. It will read in the samples in any format you specify and allow you to save a correctly formatted file. Works kind of like MS Word does for extracting readable text from corrupt document files.
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RE: HELP: Audio File Recovery
2007/09/09 20:35:56
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Yeah, I'd give Adobe Audition a try. Or SoundForge, or maybe Audacity (it's free I believe). Or better yet, take bitflipper up on his offer. If anybody could recover them, I'm sure he could.
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mgarrett010461
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RE: HELP: Audio File Recovery
2007/09/13 11:04:03
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Thanks for all the help and suggestions!!! It turns out that the files were the correct size, but since the files never got officially saved, the length parameter in the wave file header block wa set to -1. I used AUdition to find this out. It turn out that wav files for audio recorded in standard formats, are aligned in such a way that they can be read in as raw data, with the conversion set the correct format. So in my case I used AUdition to read in a 44.1 mono 16 bit file in intel format and WALA the whole thing was there!! I converted them to wave files, and saved them and I am up and running!! Thanks again...
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linzmeister
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RE: HELP: Audio File Recovery
2012/12/10 21:34:15
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Hi, New here. Something very similar just happened to my Sonar 7 system, but instead of power off, Sonar crashed when I hit space bar to stop recording. Computer is : 3.01GHz pentium 4 with 1.00GB RAM RME Hammerfall HDSP-9652 Sound card Sonar 7 Has been running stable for a while now. 2 1/2 hours, 26 tracks, 48KHz, 24 bit Live recording of open air Carols show ADAT direct outs from PA mixer - a Yamaha M7CL-48 with PA mixer running word clock master and the computer slaved to the console I sat my PC monitor behind the console's touch monitor so I could observe sonar's record levels without moving my head and nothing went over -9dB all night I did have to increase the latency on the sound card driver to get it to record all the tracks without dropping out Each file is 1.3GB and a bit, so it lt all appears to be there. I tried to find my way around audition, but not happening.. maybe still too gig tired. When importing raw data, in little endian, I get very distorted high level signals, When importing BIG endian, I get distorted low level signals.. or maybe vice versa ... either way, niether is clean and usable. Audition always says the imported file is 32 bit float, but my files were recorded at 48Khz, 24 bit PCM(?) so I am guessing it is a bit depth problem. only downloaded audition this morning and the manual doesn't appear to say how to change the current project's bit depth. Any hints? Regards Linz
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RE: HELP: Audio File Recovery
2012/12/10 22:31:23
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Sonar does use 32 bit, Funny, I just recorded an over 2 hour choir performance too! 6 tracks on an old P4 laptop. Might be that I had put a 7200 RPM HD in, I think that's important for streaming. CPU never passed 12 %. You'll just have to get used to the new software. I should open those files no problem. I saved between breaks in the music, The MC gave me his cue sheet so I new where they would be. There is a few things you need to do for a successful live recording, Prepare, Prepare Prepare.
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RE: HELP: Audio File Recovery
2012/12/11 04:32:08
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Linz, a few points. First, this thread is 5 years old, you'll get a much better response by posting a new topic Second, now don't take this the wrong way, but your pc is MASSIVELY underpowered for this sort of activity. 1Gb of RAM simply isn't enough. Thirdly - depending on your Operating System, you might have reached the 2Gb limit on file size which any 32 bit version of Windows imposes, hence the crash HTH
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RE: HELP: Audio File Recovery
2012/12/11 12:48:32
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Perhaps they are actually 64-bit files, not 32-bit. Starting at version 7, SONAR automatically writes 64-bit audio files whenever the recorded data would otherwise exceed the 2GB limit for 32-bit files. The version of Audition that I have (3.0) does not support 64-bit audio, but Sony (who invented the w64 spec) Sound Forge should be able to. 64-bit files, according to CW documentation (I've never created a 64-bit audio file myself), are given a .w64 extension rather than .wav.
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RE: HELP: Audio File Recovery
2012/12/11 20:50:17
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Download HexEdit and save 2 alternate versions of the WAV file... remove 1 byte from the top of one and 2 bytes from the top of the other.. then try again... 24 bit audio is saved using 3 bytes... you should attempt to load the RAW data using an offset into the top of the sound file... Sound Forge allows that without having to use HexEdit. Rail
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bitflipper
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RE: HELP: Audio File Recovery
2012/12/11 23:23:09
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That's going to corrupt the file, I'm afraid. The first 4 bytes are what identifies it as a RIFF WAVE file. Altering that with a hex editor would most likely make most audio software just barf it back out.
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RE: HELP: Audio File Recovery
2012/12/12 02:31:30
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RE: HELP: Audio File Recovery
2012/12/12 06:06:50
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OK, I see what you're saying. Treat the file as raw data and the header can be ignored completely, save for a few milliseconds of noise at the front. Figure out what the header should contain and re-write it, thus salvaging pretty much any wave file as long as you can figure out what its format originally was. I'll buy that. But it still wouldn't be the first course of action I'd recommend to the average user!
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RE: HELP: Audio File Recovery
2012/12/15 01:02:38
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Thanks everyone for your help. I finally got it solved, but audition wasn't enough on it's own. I had to re-create as much of the headers as I could by hand first, including calculate the file length twice (in hex) with different offset values for each block it occurs in, then audition was able to read the data section accurately. After fixing the headers for one file, I simply copied it to the other 24 files as they were all the same format and length. It took a while with loading the files into hex edit, copy/paste, save as, load into audition, save as 24 bit with dithering, load into sonar.... And don't forget to move the original corrupt file and the hexedit output file to the other hard drive to make sure I didn't run out of space. Regards, Linz...
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