HELP! Song Fragment

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2014/09/02 23:35:45 (permalink)

HELP! Song Fragment

Me and my guitarist have been writing and re-writing and re-writing this song.

I think we need some outside input.

please review.


Melody, connectedness, soundness.

First Take:
http://mfi.re/listen...a_Barnes(2).mp3 (pitchy, but just meant to be a take at tempo)

Second Take:
http://mfi.re/listen...a_Barnes(5).mp3

Please help.  

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    Re: HELP! Song Fragment 2014/09/03 07:40:08 (permalink)
    cool start
     
    Barnes 3 is nothing special..... a good song but nothing to write home about.
     
    So here's my take on the snippit. (Barnes 5)  The better one of the two IMHO
     
    The first section verse ....sounds good. The out of tune guitars actually contribute to the indy feel of the groove on this.
     
    At 31 seconds, the song goes into the next section. I was a bit confused as this progressed. I first thought it was a prechorus but it kept going and then I though it was the chorus.... so... perhaps look at shortening this section by half and make it a true prechorus leading into a much higher energy chorus..... which BTW, you do nicely. It's just that this part is a bit too long for a PC. You actually have 2 energy levels in it..... I'd personally go with the first one...lower energy but a different feel from the verse and leads nicely into the chorus.
     
    Then at 1:09 it hits what really sounds like the chorus.  At the end of the chorus.... 1:34 you should put the hook/title of the song right there. where the music holds....
     
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    Re: HELP! Song Fragment 2014/09/03 10:00:41 (permalink)
    thank you guitarhacker! btw, I just came across our old collab "I don't care"... :) 

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    Re: HELP! Song Fragment 2014/09/03 11:17:26 (permalink)
    I think if you combine the two versions and make it one, you'll do well. I think the strumming of the guitar doesn't work for the verses. Maybe outline chords with some type of arpeggio or something like that. The vocals are nice!

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    Re: HELP! Song Fragment 2014/09/03 13:42:58 (permalink)
    Would have had a listen but I am getting a "To many Redirects error"

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    Re: HELP! Song Fragment 2014/09/03 16:07:08 (permalink)
    Hmmm, not getting any redirects errors.

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    Re: HELP! Song Fragment 2014/09/04 00:24:07 (permalink)
    Hey, Josh.  Long time since I heard you.  I listened to just a minute of the first cut.  The pitchiness was very evident so I went to the second and listened to the whole thing.  I like it.  The vocal is still a bit pitch challenged but not as bad and that gets fixed anyway.  The vocal quality was really good!  I listened a second time and I really like the song.  

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    Re: HELP! Song Fragment 2014/09/05 14:14:58 (permalink)
    I definitely like the second version better - the tempo increase seems to work and it has more energy.  A few pitchy spots, sure, but I think Melodyne can resolve that (unless of course you plan to re-record the vocals).   Speaking of... I agree with Robert and Warren that your vocal quality is very good.  You actually remind a little of someone from the late 70's/early 80's but I can't quite put my finger on it...

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    Re: HELP! Song Fragment 2014/09/05 14:58:35 (permalink)
    thanks @pug
    @SteveC - would that be Lou Graham? :) says sheepishly....or Paul Rodgers...he says very sheepishly. Actually, if you figure it out -I'd love to hear that...really.
     
    The second version, again, is just cut together to get something to listen to. It's no where near a final cut. The vocal take is just a scratch track.

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    Re: HELP! Song Fragment 2014/09/05 18:26:14 (permalink)
    I can't wait to hear the finished version of this!  I like either arrangement and can actually hear how these two versions could exist in the same song.  Your voice sounds great for this, and I think the singers you mentioned are spot on.  Best of luck.

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    Re: HELP! Song Fragment 2014/09/05 22:34:43 (permalink)
    Hi Lynn, so glad to have heard from you!!! I enjoyed lunch a few months back! I really did!

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    Re: HELP! Song Fragment 2014/09/06 08:52:34 (permalink)
    pushing and pulling could be something kinda cool...the 2nd tune didnt do anything for me. I guess everyone has a different mechanize for writing...but in my odd world if i am writing and re writing and re re writing.......I'm tossing the concept....the things that work best for me at the tunes that flop out and dont require forcing. Again, I know that's not every-bodies gig....but its like a girl...if your working too hard to catch her...she prolly not worth the chase....
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    Re: HELP! Song Fragment 2014/09/06 13:16:04 (permalink)
    Will keep my furry ears out for the finished version.  Thanks for getting it to me Joshua.

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    Re: HELP! Song Fragment 2014/09/06 13:42:14 (permalink)
    Hey Joshua, 
    Really good ideas.  I think on version 2, there are too many segments.  
    I like the verse and bridge/chorus but the last segment that seems to be the chorus feels a little weeker than the others.  Maybe it is the higher pitch of the melody but I was really with you until that hook.  
    I would also consider using the the words "I think" instead of "maybe" like in "I think we've gone too far..."
    Good job and good ideas all around.
     
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