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Re: HOME STUDIO?
2016/11/25 10:39:01
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Exactly! That's what I'm doing.
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Re: HOME STUDIO?
2016/11/25 10:39:43
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If you already have Sonar, why you want to buy another Sonar? Sonar Platinum runs on any hardware which runs actual Windows versions. And it does not consume much resources. What will consume resources are plug-ins. And they will do this independent from the DAW they are running in, especially if the DAW is the same. An example: Platinum with 5+ audio tracks works without problems on a computer which can run less then a half of Z3TA2 presets without glitches. If someone think that using "lightweight" Sonar can make heavy AD2 presets working on low end hardware with 64samples buffer, that is science fiction. If you take one SoftSynth, in my case Truepiano, run in under Linux in a dedicated Linux host and compare usable latency with the same synth in X3 Pro running under Wine, on Centrino processor and 2GB RAM in total, then yes, there is a difference 
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Re: HOME STUDIO?
2016/11/25 11:00:00
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azslow3If you already have Sonar, why you want to buy another Sonar?
I thought you could only run Sonar on a single pc, but I just read the license agreement which says up to two computers is allowed.
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Re: HOME STUDIO?
2016/11/25 11:03:22
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2 computers, yes! But can only run 1 at a time - Not simultaneously, unless they are different versions or someone else is using the 2nd one.
Per the End User License Agreement, your purchase of the software grants you the nonexclusive license to have one person use the software on one personal computer at a time. If you want to use the product on more than one personal computer at a time, or if you want to network the product, you must obtain separate licenses from Cakewalk.
If you have a second computer that you use on occasion, such as a personal laptop you use when away from your desktop, you may install the product on to the additional computer. You do not need to register the product again, simply use the same registration code tied to your account that has been generated for your unique serial number. Note that per the EULA, the software must only be running on one computer at a time unless you have purchased an additional license.
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Re: HOME STUDIO?
2016/11/25 11:11:15
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soens
2 computers, yes! But can only run 1 at a time - Not simultaneously.
That would be my situation:( I'm checking to see if Cakewalk will let me return HS or give me a credit.
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Re: HOME STUDIO?
2016/11/25 11:14:43
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They may or they may not. It's their call. If not, it wasn't that expensive to worry too much about, right?
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Re: HOME STUDIO?
2016/11/25 11:19:59
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No, not too much, but still, my bad:(
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Re: HOME STUDIO?
2016/11/25 12:47:30
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soens
2 computers, yes! But can only run 1 at a time - Not simultaneously, unless they are different versions or someone else is using the 2nd one.
Per the End User License Agreement, your purchase of the software grants you the nonexclusive license to have one person use the software on one personal computer at a time. If you want to use the product on more than one personal computer at a time, or if you want to network the product, you must obtain separate licenses from Cakewalk.
If you have a second computer that you use on occasion, such as a personal laptop you use when away from your desktop, you may install the product on to the additional computer. You do not need to register the product again, simply use the same registration code tied to your account that has been generated for your unique serial number. Note that per the EULA, the software must only be running on one computer at a time unless you have purchased an additional license.
The License Agreement is more strict then in practice. While "run 1 at a time" rule obviously apply, it was confirmed many times in this forum by CW (also was in some Q&A) that installing it on more than 2 computers is ok. That was most critical argument for me when I have bought Sonar for the first time, I had music instruments in 2 different rooms (I had no place to put all together), "major" computer in yet another room, and a notebook. I was the only user, but I was looking for a DAW which allows me to do this. I am home hobby player, paying for several copies of the same software just because I had no place to put my instruments together was not acceptable for me. Unfortunately, some plug-ins are not so friendly...
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Cactus Music
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Re: HOME STUDIO?
2016/11/25 15:03:43
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Well you can install Sonar until the cows come home, but you only get 2 computers to run AD2 on. Not sure how Melodyne works as I don't use it. But it is a great system we now have and I have CCC installed on 5 computers. I don't actually use Sonar on 2 of them as one is a backup DAW and one is our office computer. I just like to be able to open SONAR when helping on the forum. I only ever use my Main DAW and sometimes my Laptop to record live.
And this 2nd laptop here I only have Home Studio on for now and I have a plan for it.
I bought this version of Sonar the other day because I wanted to try it first hand. No other reason. What's $50 to a musician? I totally understand how my other versions can do the same and more. But I am curious to how this version will stand up for what I plan on doing which is using it live. I also will be using it sans audio interface at work to tweak backing tracks I use in my music programs here. It that time of year to dust off the Christmas midi files....
So far it's working 100% without a glitch. Few things are different but I have yet to have to read the manual.
I think this is a great version of Sonar for the money which is half the price of Artist. I could certainly use it to record an album of a live band. It's weakness is more the lack of soft synths than recording or editing features.
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Re: HOME STUDIO?
2016/11/25 19:14:08
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azslow3
Unfortunately, some plug-ins are not so friendly...
Unless they are dongle based (i.e. UAD Apollo/Satellite, Waves license on a USB stick, iLok2 based auth)
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Re: HOME STUDIO?
2016/11/25 21:28:07
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bapu
azslow3
Unfortunately, some plug-ins are not so friendly...
Unless they are dongle based (i.e. UAD Apollo/Satellite, Waves license on a USB stick, iLok2 based auth)
"Dongle" that word itself sounds like a cuss word  Don't it ?
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Cactus Music
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Re: HOME STUDIO?
2016/11/25 23:31:12
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Well AD allows you two computers.
And the other day because of a stupid ( don't let scook see that) Windows 10 update I had to remove my main DAW using the XLN installer and put it back again. I think that you could do this as many times as you like, The biggest hassle is that online installer is real buggy and crashes a few time before its finally is OK
Yes dongles. I can move Wave Lab or Cubase to any computer as long as you install the elicence software too and then move the dongle. The hassle is the dongle takes up a USB port which sucks on laptops.
So my plan is to use AD2 only on my main DAW and this laptop for live playback.
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Re: HOME STUDIO?
2016/11/26 03:27:19
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Cactus Music
What's $50 to a musician?
$50 bucks too me equals the $1500 plus bucks worth of my time, effort and knowledge that it took me to make the 50 bucks in the first place ...  Oh btw , I like the specs of the new HS  all the best, Kenny
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Re: HOME STUDIO?
2016/11/26 09:09:47
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Say, didn't Chuck Berry do a song..... My Dongle Dooo?
@ Johnny V Say my xln installer has worked fine everytime.....
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Cactus Music
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Re: HOME STUDIO?
2016/11/26 16:14:11
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Re: HOME STUDIO?
2016/11/26 17:44:33
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Thanks for the image, Johnny. I'll feel right at home showing it to my wife.
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Cactus Music
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Re: HOME STUDIO?
2016/11/26 21:27:52
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Well for me the weirdness seems to be every time windows does an update it wants me to authorise my computer again. I open the online installer and it wants to update, then it goes blank and I have to log on again. After 10 minutes it works. This has been on 2 different computers, one W7 one W10.
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Re: HOME STUDIO?
2016/11/26 21:45:13
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If academic licences are available for this product I may try to pursuade my employers to purchase one or more copies.
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Re: HOME STUDIO?
2016/11/26 22:20:24
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This is nice for me because many times I will show my rig to some musician who hints that he would like a pirate copy of what I have. This gives me a nice way to refer in an affordable solution for them and gets me out of a difficult situation.
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Cactus Music
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Re: HOME STUDIO?
2016/11/27 11:57:52
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Well you cannot pirate Sonar anymore unless someone gives you there log on info.
This was why they change the system to what it is now. On line installers.
And yes , For $50 this is a great package that is all you really need to get started.
I'm going to run a project fro start to finish on HS and post to the song forum.
I've installed it to a new computer I just inherited and they's no other software on it. So no cheating.
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Re: HOME STUDIO?
2016/11/27 12:08:44
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I think a Big Deal about Home Studio for consumers is the low-latency WASAPI interface. Of course it's coming to the next SONAR update as well, so it's not just a Home Studio thing. But I think consumers tend to be the ones who want to have SONAR open while surfing the net or checking out something on YouTube, or running on a laptop and don't have an ASIO interface. Compared to the horror that is MME, latencies of 10 ms or less in shared mode (and 3 ms in exclusive mode) is quite cool.
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Cactus Music
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Re: HOME STUDIO?
2016/11/28 19:33:01
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Well that explains something. Both the computers I installed HS on are not hooked up to audio interfaces at this time. I was surprised , and happy, to see the driver was WASAPI. I had never seen that before and I assumed it was the on board Audio drivers that were involved. Both machines are 2012 so the newest of any off the self PC I'd been in possession of. I build my own and never install on board audio as a rule.
WASAPI seems very stable and so far so good. Haven't recorded anything yet.. This machine, an Acer laptop I brought to work and will be using it to tweak midi files for my music programming here. I'm just firing up some Christmas midi files as we speak.. It's all just editing, I don't have a mike or a controller here ( yet) I will try a few tests like the loop back and report in..
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Re: HOME STUDIO?
2016/11/28 20:55:14
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Hmmm, I realize that I haven't paid attention to WASAPI. I think I assumed I had to use ASIO with mine I/O's
Can I use it with my Scarlett 18i20 and Tascam us1641(separate machines/rooms).
"yes, I'd like some lower latency! Thanks".... LOL
I believe my wife plans to use her usb mic straight into Sonar HS. She does have a small Tascam iru something...
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Re: HOME STUDIO?
2016/11/28 22:24:59
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WASAPI with SONAR (I don't know of any other program ATM that works with the low-latency Windows drivers) can give results that are similar to Thunderbolt...I'm measuring 3 ms with a Realtek chipset. This also means there will be no reason to use ASIO4ALL with SONAR running on a laptop.
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Cactus Music
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Re: HOME STUDIO?
2016/11/29 01:17:18
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This also means there will be no reason to use ASIO4ALL with SONAR running on a laptop.
THAT, is good news. Hey, there might be hope for Soundblasters too!!! :)
From what I've read, WASAPI is to the PC what Mac owners have had with Core Audio.
So we can add that there's no reason to own a Mac now unless you like spending money...
I've been messing around with HS today, only negative,, and I say only, is the SI drums.. Hard to go back from AD to this. All else is very perky and I hate to say it, for me an improvement in work flow over the Big guy.
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Re: HOME STUDIO?
2016/11/29 10:36:38
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the asio4all-bashing is tiresome
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Re: HOME STUDIO?
2016/11/29 12:02:00
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pwalpwal
the asio4all-bashing is tiresome
I need to invest in a lighter stick or aluminum bat. Good cardio and aerobic benefits though.
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Cactus Music
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Re: HOME STUDIO?
2016/11/29 23:56:46
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Well WASAPI turns out to be just as iffy as MME on some machines.. On my Acer 2012 Laptop it seems to be fine for playback and working with midi. I haven't tried recording yet but seems stable so far with MIDI only and VST
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On my Sony 2008 Laptop I managed no problem to perform the loopback test in 4 different driver modes. WASAPI came in late, It was no better than MME on that test. Only ASIO ( using my Tascam) was right on.
On my 2012 HP Paviion i7 I could not record any audio at all, Audio engine would drop out after 1/2 second. Lots of warnings about this and that. I tried every possible setting and each of the drivers,, gave up. Weird that the Sony worked and this one didn't.
I waiting for Photobucket to upload my screenshot and I post a new tread regarding the loopback test and my experience so far with working in HS.
All three test machines running Windows 7 64 bit.
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Re: HOME STUDIO?
2016/12/02 18:56:25
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Hi,
I'd like to know how many busses are allowed per project in Home Studio version.
I have Music Creator 7 and it has a limit of 8 busses per project.
And how many VST slots per track? MC has 4.
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dwardzala
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Re: HOME STUDIO?
2016/12/02 19:23:52
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Cactus Music
Well WASAPI turns out to be just as iffy as MME on some machines.. On my Acer 2012 Laptop it seems to be fine for playback and working with midi. I haven't tried recording yet but seems stable so far with MIDI only and VST
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On my Sony 2008 Laptop I managed no problem to perform the loopback test in 4 different driver modes. WASAPI came in late, It was no better than MME on that test. Only ASIO ( using my Tascam) was right on.
On my 2012 HP Paviion i7 I could not record any audio at all, Audio engine would drop out after 1/2 second. Lots of warnings about this and that. I tried every possible setting and each of the drivers,, gave up. Weird that the Sony worked and this one didn't.
I waiting for Photobucket to upload my screenshot and I post a new tread regarding the loopback test and my experience so far with working in HS.
All three test machines running Windows 7 64 bit.
Noel mentioned this in another thread, but M$ didn't enhance the WASAPI core audio functionality until Win 10. Your Win 7 machines may not see (as you noted) a benefit.
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