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2017/08/09 17:50:19 (permalink)

Hammond/leslie sound

I love the classic sound of the 70's era Hammond B3 with Leslie cabinet sound. What do you recommend (short of actually buying the organ and cabinet) 😊
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Re: Hammond/leslie sound 2017/08/09 18:09:30 (permalink)
GSi's VB3, without any reservation.
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Re: Hammond/leslie sound 2017/08/09 18:10:11 (permalink)
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GSi's VB3, without any reservation.



Yep.

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Re: Hammond/leslie sound 2017/08/09 18:19:02 (permalink)
 for rotary 'speaker" MrDonald  free vst
 
here is a link for it
 
https://www.kvraudio.com/product/mrdonald_by_gsi
 
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Re: Hammond/leslie sound 2017/08/09 22:18:54 (permalink)
I am a fan of the GSi VB3 too.
 
What version of SONAR? You may have some options already installed.
 
The new DSF - B3 Tone Wheel Organ loads into Rapture Session/Pro.
 
 
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Re: Hammond/leslie sound 2017/08/09 22:25:39 (permalink)
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GSi's VB3, without any reservation.

My recommendation too.
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Re: Hammond/leslie sound 2017/08/09 23:20:20 (permalink)
If you don't want the entire virtual instrument but just a really good rotating speaker plug-in, try PSP's L'otary. You can download a 14-day fully functional version. I reviewed it for Harmony Central. The main thing I like about it is that it does all the conventional effects, but you can also "push the parameters" and there are miking options, good distortion, etc.

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Re: Hammond/leslie sound 2017/08/10 00:32:39 (permalink)
There's a new kid on the block that many say sounds more realistic than VB-3.
GG AUDIO's Blue3.

The VB-3 was my go-to hammond organ, before that it was Native Instruments B4-II
I have many other Hammond emulators, all offer slightly different sounds.

My one gripe about Blue3 is that it doesn't have a very loud bottom end (which I'm told is realistic and being true to a real Hammond B3.)   But when I do a gliss (a hand-slide up the keyboard), the VB-3 really comes through, with a loud booming, grumbling bottom end bass sound, that makes the gliss stand out and cut through the other instruments.

But other than that the Blue3, is much more bright sounding, and the mid and high keys cut through the other instruments.  Some say a few of the presets sound a bit too "synthy", but there are a lot more controls and fine tuning available, along with different tonewheel sets and a choice of speakers. The Blue3 also has a better Leslie speaker sound.

You can download the Blue3 demo at:

http://www.gg-audio.com/

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Re: Hammond/leslie sound 2017/08/10 00:41:20 (permalink)
I also wrote this review on all the Hammond B3 emulators on my DAW.  There's also several discussions going on at KVR audio, where I originally posted this review.   Search KVR audio forums for "GG Audio Blue3", and you'll read some great, insightful reviews on Blue3, as well as other Hammond B3 emulators:

Here's a link to my Cakewalk Software forum review on Hammond emulators:
http://forum.cakewalk.com...s-Review-m3638726.aspx

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Re: Hammond/leslie sound 2017/08/10 07:47:01 (permalink)
Agreed, the GSi VB3 is a solid choice.
 
I also like the AIR DB-33 (purchased from Audio Deluxe for just $16.99 during a sale). I've used it on a couple and tracks and it sounds great. The rotary-speaker cabinet can also be used as an effect in its own right on an audio track.
 
Both of these titles are available to download as demo versions.
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Re: Hammond/leslie sound 2017/08/10 08:01:20 (permalink)
For Leslie cabs consider MeldaProduction MVintageRotary (currently on sale for ~$30) or MRotary (not on sale ATM but like all Melda plug-ins and bundles goes on sale regularly) although GSi VB3 has a decent Leslie built-in and a separate 32bit cab FX plug-in.
 
The only caution I offer about GSi VB3 is it is only suitable for 44.1/48K sample rate.
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Re: Hammond/leslie sound 2017/08/10 10:55:03 (permalink)
This site has some pretty decent plug ins (all free)
http://www.vst4free.com/free_vst.php?id=1346
 
I downloaded the free Vox con and amazingly they worked very well and also I was able automate all parameters.
The link I left above is for the Euthymia Electronic Organ V2 (Hammond clone).
 
 

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Re: Hammond/leslie sound 2017/08/10 11:38:38 (permalink)
free soundfont here Hammond Organ B3 con Leslie veloce
 
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http://www.suonoelettroni...0con%20Leslie%20veloce

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Re: Hammond/leslie sound 2017/08/10 14:31:44 (permalink)
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Agreed, the GSi VB3 is a solid choice.
 
I also like the AIR DB-33 (purchased from Audio Deluxe for just $16.99 during a sale). I've used it on a couple and tracks and it sounds great. The rotary-speaker cabinet can also be used as an effect in its own right on an audio track.
 
Both of these titles are available to download as demo versions.


+1 for the AIR DB-33

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Re: Hammond/leslie sound 2017/08/10 23:26:27 (permalink)
Not much love for Blue3, huh?  I was talking with someone in the KVR Audio forums about all the comparisons of the many Hammond/Leslie emulators.  This person has the good fortune of owning and playing a real Hammond organ, and he did the ultimate side-by-side comparison test of all the Hammond emulators out there.  He even set me straight about my love for the deep bass growl coming from the VB-3 plugin, which I told him I miss in the Blue3.   He claims the real Hammond organ does not produce such a heavy bass tone. He claims that Blue3 comes closest to sounding like the real thing. (including the Leslie speaker emulator)
Blue3 is only $99 and has a demo version at GG Audio. I highly recommend it.

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Re: Hammond/leslie sound 2017/08/11 00:13:36 (permalink)
Love for the Blue 3 here. My Native Instruments B3 had disappeared but the Blue 3 is now my new best friend. Also heads up for the Air DB33 - very pleasantly surprised.

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Re: Hammond/leslie sound 2017/08/11 00:26:26 (permalink)
Hey Leee, I really like Blue3 too.  If you're looking for hairy Jon Lord/Goldy McJohn rock Hammond sounds, it's tough to beat.  It's overdrive is killer and there is a huge pallete of useful tone controls to play with.  But if your organ tastes tend more toward Jimmy Smith, then I'd recommend AccousticSamples B-5 Organ V2, which runs within the UVI Workstation.  If you play jazz or traditional R 'n' B or funky reggae stuff, this sampled product is great, probably the best out there in reproducing the power and glory of real Hammonds.  Both Blue3 and B-5 Organ have good Leslie emulations.  I'm also a fan of L'otary.  To go with it, PSP have created PSP B-Scanner, a terrific plug that emulates a Hammond B-3's vibrato and chorus functions, often a weak point in Hammond VST's.
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Re: Hammond/leslie sound 2017/08/11 00:56:31 (permalink)
Thanks for the responses, I will check them out. I have Producer. I have been with Cakewalk since it was just a midi sequencer. , version 2 I think.
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Re: Hammond/leslie sound 2017/08/11 00:59:09 (permalink)
Yeah... I'm still using the NI B4 and loving it...
 
When I have some cash I am thinking of getting the VB3 so as to have a 64 bit version at least. It sounds the same as the B4 to me...
 
I'll have to check out the Blue3 too...
 
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Re: Hammond/leslie sound 2017/08/11 01:09:07 (permalink)
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GSi's VB3, without any reservation.

The GSi VB3 is like Gregg Rolie in a plugin! Agreed!

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Re: Hammond/leslie sound 2017/08/11 01:15:31 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby user4325874 2017/08/12 23:16:21
Depending on which version of Producer, you may have DPro and Rapture. Both have quite a few organ programs you may like. DPro expansion pack 1 includes a virtual B3. The programs are located in Expansion Pack 1 > Organs > Virtual B3. Here is a image detailing the features available in the virtual B3 programs

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Re: Hammond/leslie sound 2017/08/11 01:17:41 (permalink)
Thanks, I have Dimension Pro and Rapture.
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Re: Hammond/leslie sound 2017/08/11 01:18:43 (permalink)
Greybeard, I have about 7 Hammond plugins, including B-5 (in the UVI Workstation).  And as I said before, it really does sound good.  Just another flavor of the "Hammond sound" available through all the various Hammond emulators out there (which really isn't a single, specific sound to begin with, if you take into account all the different tonewheel sets, models, physical condition of all the parts, that Hammond produced over the years).
I'll have to check out the PSP B-Scanner, thanks for the recommendation.  However I do think Blue3 does a pretty good job at emulating the Leslie speaker.  (But as I've found, you can never tell unless you do side-by-side comparisons)

In my latest project I've combined the VB-3 and Blue3 plugins, played and mixed them together to create a composite tone, getting the best of both plugins into a single sound.  I've even matched up the rotary speaker speeds, so they stay pretty much in sync.   By combining the two, I still can get that strong, deep bass when playing a gliss, from the bottom keys to the top, while adding the bright tones of Blue3.

I thought VB-3 was the ultimate sounding Hammond emulator, but it's not until you play them side-by-side that you can really hear the differences.  VB3 almost sounded a bit muddy or muted on the high end compared to Blue3.
So by combining the two plugins, I have a Hammond B3 sound that will cut through all the other instruments (when I want it to), when playing with a full band's worth of instruments.

One more tip I learned during all my research.  When playing around with Blue3, it's worth experimenting with the many different tonewheel sets (including the waxed and recapped ones), also in my opinion the "custom" speaker option sounds best out of all the available speakers in the plugin.  So many choices, it takes days just experimenting with all the various combinations.

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Re: Hammond/leslie sound 2017/08/11 01:26:21 (permalink)
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 I'm also a fan of L'otary.  To go with it, PSP have created PSP B-Scanner, a terrific plug that emulates a Hammond B-3's vibrato and chorus functions, often a weak point in Hammond VST's.



I'm pretty sure I already own L'otary, but never really use it.  So what's the differences (if any) between the L'otary and B-Scanner?  They look like they both emulate a rotary speaker.   Is the B-Scanner an updated version of L'otary, or does it have additional functions?
Thanks!
EDIT: Oh, never mind, I figured it out, L'otary is a Leslie speaker emulator, while B-Scanner emulates the vibrato and chorus features found within the Hammond Organ itself.

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Re: Hammond/leslie sound 2017/08/11 02:53:36 (permalink)
I wish GSI would sell in VST format the upgraded version of VB3 they include in their superb Mojo and Gemini keyboard hardware.  Their VST currently on the market--VB3 version 1.4--is getting long in the tooth.  Blue3 sounds at least as good (better, to my old ears) and, as previously noted, is far more tweakable.  It also has the best user interface, IMHO.  As for B-5 version 2, it's sampled rather than modeled like VB3 and Blue3, which may explain why old fart Hammond players give it the nod in the sonic verisimilitude derby.  It's also on sale right now, I think.  The L'otary and B-Scanner plugs go beyond Hammond verisimilitude and are cool effects to play with in other contexts.
 
If you're burying a B3 in your mix as a pad or an accent, any one of these three VST's will do the job.  If you're exposing it as a foreground lead instrument, Blue3 or B-5 V2 will shine.   
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Re: Hammond/leslie sound 2017/08/11 05:57:27 (permalink)
I haven't played a real tonewheel B3 very often but when I saw Dr Lonnie Smith it sure had booming bass. Although I suppose "realism" is overrated these days - almost nobody using the plugin has extensive experience with a real B so what ultimately matters is that it's inspiring to play and sounds good in a mix.
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Re: Hammond/leslie sound 2017/08/11 09:21:59 (permalink)
The main thing that stays with me from my years performing and recording with former Mott keyboard player Verden Allen is the strain of shifting his flightcased split C3 and twin Leslie cabs around. On more than one occasion we found ourselves jammed between the organ and the wall of a narrow passage or stairway, it still makes me shudder.
 
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Re: Hammond/leslie sound 2017/08/11 17:23:23 (permalink)
Be wary of simple tremolos which do not have the Doppler effect of a true Leslie.  The Leslie sound is really very complex.  I'd go with Craig's recommendation.

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Re: Hammond/leslie sound 2017/08/12 16:59:56 (permalink)
As been mentioned, PSP L'otary is very good but so is Melda's MVintageRotary plug.  I have both of them and they are both EXCELLENT albeit PSPs allow more custom settings.  I stay away from the built in Leslie effects inside of VSTi organ instruments in that they really aren't that good and with a dedicated VST effect, you can use it on any audio track.
 
The reason I have both is that they actually sound different enough that depending on the mix, one will fit better than the other.  Again, I highly recommend either one.  Another great thing about having a standalone LESLIE Vst is that you can use it on any track (leslie effect on vocals, leslie effect on guitar tracks, etc.).
 
The MELDA one goes on sale about once a year for 50% off.  I have not seen the PSP version on any significant sale.  If I could only have one of these VSTs, I would go with the PSP version but like I said, both are very useable.
 
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Re: Hammond/leslie sound 2017/08/12 22:20:55 (permalink)
I never really had a big issue with VB3 and I'm pretty sure you can use it as Leslie on any audio track. I would honestly expect that to go for most organ plugins. I'm not opposed to separate Leslie plugs per se, I actually have a Ventilator 1 and a Ventilator 2, I'm just suprised to hear people feel the Leslie in VB3 isn't good or don't know you can use it as an FX processor.
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