Harrison Mixbus 3 Music Radar Review

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Harrison Mixbus 3 Music Radar Review

Read about it and watch the video here

http://www.musicradar.com...rrison-mixbus-3-629376


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    bapu
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    Re: Harrison Mixbus 3 Music Radar Review 2015/10/23 11:14:06 (permalink)
    I think they got it just about right.
     
    The only thing they could have pushed harder on is THE SOUND.
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    Re: Harrison Mixbus 3 Music Radar Review 2015/10/23 11:17:21 (permalink)
    bapu
    I think they got it just about right.
     
    The only thing they could have pushed harder on is THE SOUND.



    I agree Baps...I've used a ton of DAW's and NONE of them SOUND
    as good as Mixbus right out of the gate.  There is definitely some "Magic"
    going on under the hood...


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    Re: Harrison Mixbus 3 Music Radar Review 2015/10/23 14:22:03 (permalink)
    So you guys use Mixbuss after you've done all the tracking in Sonar? I'm still trying to figure out what to do about Mixbuss. I've tried Reaper and Studio 1 but just couldn't find a reason to chose them over Sonar as a recording platform. If Mixbuss is designed for the mix/master stages only and has a unique sound it might interest me.

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    Re: Harrison Mixbus 3 Music Radar Review 2015/10/23 14:32:14 (permalink)
    There is definitely "something" with Mixbus.  Many use it
    for the "Mastering", but with V3 you can finally do MIDI Instruments
    as well.  While not as "robust" as Sonar, you could certainly track, mix
    and Master in Mixbus.


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    Re: Harrison Mixbus 3 Music Radar Review 2015/10/23 14:58:41 (permalink)
    ampfixer
    So you guys use Mixbuss after you've done all the tracking in Sonar?

    That's my plan from here on out (I had been waiting for V3 which is 64bit, I'm 99.99% free of 32bit VSTs.
    ampfixer
    If Mixbuss is designed for the mix/master stages only and has a unique sound it might interest me.

    It's unique to my ears. YMMV.
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    Re: Harrison Mixbus 3 Music Radar Review 2015/10/23 15:14:47 (permalink)
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    ampfixer
    So you guys use Mixbuss after you've done all the tracking in Sonar?

    That's my plan from here on out (I had been waiting for V3 which is 64bit, I'm 99.99% free of 32bit VSTs.
    ampfixer
    If Mixbuss is designed for the mix/master stages only and has a unique sound it might interest me.

    It's unique to my ears. YMMV.



    It's not just your ears...


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    Re: Harrison Mixbus 3 Music Radar Review 2015/10/23 15:43:44 (permalink)
    I had to pull Mixbus 3.0 off my system because it was unusable. I am assuming now with this release it is much better. I gather you can jump straight to the latest release as well and not have to install any previous releases.
     
    Is it behaving nice now that is what I am interested to know. It certainly was not before.

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    Re: Harrison Mixbus 3 Music Radar Review 2015/10/23 15:51:56 (permalink)
    Jeff,
     
    Ever since the second (they are up to the fourth) interim release it has behaved pretty good for me.
     
    UAD and Plugin Alliance plugs were having problems but on the third interim they got that sorted out (for most, there is one guy who says he crashes with UAD on a MAC).
     
    I think some multi-out synths are still not working (EZDrummer 2 comes to mind). But I'm not that full tilt interested in the MIDI. I don't really plan to mix/master projects in MB3 using any MIDI at this point.
     
    I am running a test project with MIDI using IVORY and about 20 audio tracks and it works as expected.
    post edited by bapu - 2015/10/23 16:03:01
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    Re: Harrison Mixbus 3 Music Radar Review 2015/10/23 15:51:59 (permalink)
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    post edited by bapu - 2015/10/23 16:03:28
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    Re: Harrison Mixbus 3 Music Radar Review 2015/10/23 16:41:03 (permalink)
    A little of topic I know, but something I've often wondered. I've heard people say that the reason why analog consoles can improve the stereo image is because of the subtle differences they introduce between right and left channels due to component tolerances. Does that mean its even more important to make sure that mono instruments are tracked in mono, e.g. not using a stereo track for what is essentially a mono synth patch? And what about if you're using a plugin which centers bass frequencies on a stereo track (e.g. TP Basslane). Would the effectiveness of such a plugin be compromised in that the analog tolerances are going to "undo" that centering a little?

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    Re: Harrison Mixbus 3 Music Radar Review 2015/10/23 18:54:42 (permalink)
    FYI--Some Mixbus users over on the Harrison Mixbus forum have remarked that there is a sonic difference between Mixbus 2.5 and Mixbus 3; there is a thread just on this topic.  They note that Mixbus 3 seems more open, clearer and tighter than Mixbus 2.5.  They remark that Mixbus 2.5 has more of that "vintage" and "compressed" analog tone.  I do not know if this is audible to all or not, but for now, I am keeping both v2.5 and v3 installed.  V2.5 of course has no midi implementation, but for mastering stems it is great.  The latest Interim Release of v3 (#2257) is working well on my system and is stable.  I do not envision using it for serious midi instrumentation, as Sonar and other DAWs are better designed for that, but for audio mastering, the Harrison sound is nice (at least to my ears).




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    Re: Harrison Mixbus 3 Music Radar Review 2015/10/23 23:29:41 (permalink)
    sharke
    I've heard people say that the reason why analog consoles can improve the stereo image is because of the subtle differences they introduce between right and left channels due to component tolerances.

     
    When you think about it no analog console could have a totally perfect matching between left and right output stages and that may be a contributing factor to slightly increased stereo width and depth.  A few years ago I actually totally refurbished an old Harrison console that belonged to an audio school where I worked as Head of Audio.  The same model that mixed Michael Jackson's 'Thriller'.  I can say without a doubt the left and right output stages were not identical in every respect.  Harrison may have something like that actually going on their Mixbus software.
     
    But this is not confined to analog though and this is weird.  I have a Yamaha digital mixer and have always felt that the image was wider when I summed buses in the mixer instead of in the box in the DAW. I thought I was imagining this until I read a very interesting article in September SOS.  It is with Dave O'Donnell who engineered the James Taylor album, 'Before This World'  So he is working mainly in the digital domain and he said exactly the same thing in the article.  He mixed it on the Yamaha DM2000 and he also stated that even mixing digitally on the DM2000 sounds better with more depth than all ITB.  So what is going on there?

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    Re: Harrison Mixbus 3 Music Radar Review 2015/10/24 11:48:48 (permalink)
    As far as I can tell each interim M B 3 release has gotten better and better …
    The DSP reads half of what it read on a MB3 test project from the original V 3 .
    The program itself seems much less quirky and I'm not experiencing crashes any more … 
    imho , the video feature is also a nice addition . 
     
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    Re: Harrison Mixbus 3 Music Radar Review 2015/10/25 05:08:22 (permalink)
    Thanks for alerting me back to this. Thanks Bapu for your experiences too. I have put the latest build back on and yes it seems to be working nice for me for sure. Good to be back with Mixbus again. I like the GUI of this DAW as well, it is rather cool. I will give it a good workout.
     
    The multiband mastering compressor is nice. As is the EQ and the reverb.  The trick is to back off the tape saturation when you are after super clean sounds. The built in EQ on the masterbuss is real nice too for final touches.
     
    I have used the Harrison 32C or 3232 console for lots of tracking and mixing in the audio school while employed there. This software feels and sounds like it a lot.
     
     
     
    post edited by Jeff Evans - 2015/10/25 05:32:44

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    Re: Harrison Mixbus 3 Music Radar Review 2015/10/25 09:14:25 (permalink)
    I've read it's based on this one...
    http://harrisonconsoles.com/site/950mx.html
    ...but that may be just the gui.

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    Re: Harrison Mixbus 3 Music Radar Review 2015/10/25 09:25:33 (permalink)
    Mixbus 2.5 was based on the Harrison 32C Console...it was right on their page
    at the time...

    Now, it appears, they've pulled that blurb for V3....so maybe V3 is based on the 950MX...





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    Re: Harrison Mixbus 3 Music Radar Review 2015/10/25 09:44:48 (permalink)
    You can get one for just over $20,000 here!
    http://vintageking.com/harrison-950m-analog-console
    ...or MB3 for $79

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    Re: Harrison Mixbus 3 Music Radar Review 2015/10/25 10:00:56 (permalink)
    Does MB3 support VST3s?

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    Re: Harrison Mixbus 3 Music Radar Review 2015/10/25 10:01:46 (permalink)
    Seems like a bargain to me.
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    Re: Harrison Mixbus 3 Music Radar Review 2015/10/25 10:33:39 (permalink)
    I liked MB 2.5 a lot but really never got too deep because of it being 32 bit. Now that it's 64 bit I am re-intrigued. I prefer to use VST3 when possible and a good portion of my installed plugs are VST3. I would prefer not to have to have VST2 and 3 installed just so I can use them in MB.

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    Re: Harrison Mixbus 3 Music Radar Review 2015/10/25 10:55:25 (permalink)
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    Does MB3 support VST3s?


    Vst3 is not supported yet. You can however use ddmf metaplugin to load vst3s.

    http://www.ddmf.eu/product.php?id=3
     
    Unfortunately it's $49.
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    Re: Harrison Mixbus 3 Music Radar Review 2015/10/25 11:08:18 (permalink)
    Thanks Bapu for the suggestion. Looks interesting

    We'll not risk another frontal assault-that rabbit's dynamite!!!

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    Re: Harrison Mixbus 3 Music Radar Review 2015/10/25 11:16:30 (permalink)
    southpaw3473
    Thanks Bapu for the suggestion. Looks interesting


    You're welcome.
     
    That's $49 I don't care to spend now as I install all VST2 & VST3 on my system. I can live with using VST2 in MB3.
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    Re: Harrison Mixbus 3 Music Radar Review 2015/10/26 18:47:20 (permalink)
    FYI--for all you Mac users.  Harrison has issued a new Interim Release for Mac; it is #2279.  This is not for Windows, which still is on #2257.




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