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Re: Harrison Mixbus 3.0-2845 interim release 2015/12/13 15:11:39 (permalink)
But it also fixed the "Mixbus has stopped working" dialog when a project contained a n Izotope 7 plug.
 
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Re: Harrison Mixbus 3.0-2845 interim release 2015/12/13 15:17:30 (permalink)
I hope they get around to adding Tranzport support.
 
Surprisingly it still operates in Win 10 inside of SONAR Plat, Reaper and Studio One V 3.
 
MB3 support would be fab/gear/super/b!tchen.
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Re: Harrison Mixbus 3.0-2845 interim release 2015/12/13 15:21:52 (permalink)
I don't have a control surface. I'm interested in the Harrison one rumoured to be in development. I guess ignorance is bliss. I'm used to using a mouse.

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Re: Harrison Mixbus 3.0-2845 interim release 2015/12/13 16:27:47 (permalink)
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I'm interested in the Harrison one rumoured to be in development.

That would be cool. But what if it's not compatible with (at least) SONAR?
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Re: Harrison Mixbus 3.0-2845 interim release 2015/12/13 16:54:08 (permalink)
It does need to work with Sonar, but in reality I'll probably never buy one. I always get sidetracked with guitar lust.

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Re: Harrison Mixbus 3.0-2845 interim release 2015/12/13 17:03:35 (permalink)
Faderport is excellent and I am glad to see that it works now with Mixbus.  It is very handy in fact and a great alternative to a full blown CS and it takes up only a nice small footprint.
 
I was pretty happy with the last MB revision as it seemed to be working nice after that one. I am assuming it is even better?

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Re: Harrison Mixbus 3.0-2845 interim release 2015/12/13 18:15:32 (permalink)
I'm thinking about the faderport. I've been reading up on them and they seem to be pretty good...and cheap. Seems to work fine with both Sonar and Mixbus.

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Re: Harrison Mixbus 3.0-2845 interim release 2015/12/13 19:11:49 (permalink)
A physical fader is the cats meow for automation.
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Re: Harrison Mixbus 3.0-2845 interim release 2015/12/13 19:33:59 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu 2015/12/13 19:46:12
Clint, I've had a Faderport for about 4 years now, and it's working flawlessly. Even more than having a fader for writing automation, the transport control is what makes it so great in my opinion. Once you get one, you'll wonder why you waited so long. Having hot keys at your fingertips for things like saving a project, undo, mute, solo, and arm for record also just speed things along so much. It's $129 well spent.
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Re: Harrison Mixbus 3.0-2845 interim release 2015/12/13 20:50:02 (permalink)
I've been looking on ebay for one...I may give one a try.

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Re: Harrison Mixbus 3.0-2845 interim release 2015/12/15 09:15:09 (permalink)
Just curious, it looks like MixBus is another DAW.  What does this do that Sonar does not do (When do you use this instead of Sonar and vice versa)?
 
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Re: Harrison Mixbus 3.0-2845 interim release 2015/12/15 09:51:33 (permalink)
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Just curious, it looks like MixBus is another DAW.  What does this do that Sonar does not do (When do you use this instead of Sonar and vice versa)?
 


If you look at as a pure mixing tool it has that Harrison sound. It's got a mojo that SONAR does not. Maybe one could achieve the sound bin SONAR with lot of work, but exports your somewhat mixed stems into MB3 and hear them transform before your ears (before even applying any FX).
 
Or use it as mastering stage by taking your pre-mastered mix from SONAR into MB3.
 
MB3 will never replace SONAR (for me) nor will it always me final mix or master stage but when it is it's because it adds that something I'm looking for.
 
I love it as an addon to SONAR. But I can see how it might not be for everyone.
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Re: Harrison Mixbus 3.0-2845 interim release 2015/12/15 10:45:00 (permalink)
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Just curious, it looks like MixBus is another DAW.  What does this do that Sonar does not do (When do you use this instead of Sonar and vice versa)?
 


If you look at as a pure mixing tool it has that Harrison sound. It's got a mojo that SONAR does not. Maybe one could achieve the sound bin SONAR with lot of work, but exports your somewhat mixed stems into MB3 and hear them transform before your ears (before even applying any FX).
 
Or use it as mastering stage by taking your pre-mastered mix from SONAR into MB3.
 
MB3 will never replace SONAR (for me) nor will it always me final mix or master stage but when it is it's because it adds that something I'm looking for.
 
I love it as an addon to SONAR. But I can see how it might not be for everyone.


agreed.

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Re: Harrison Mixbus 3.0-2845 interim release 2015/12/15 22:19:57 (permalink)
Well I finally took the plunge and purchased and installed. Waves plugins worked fine, then I loaded up Ozone 7 Advanced, and that was all she wrote, it loaded fine, then I double clicked to bring up the UI, it came up, and that was it, you couldn't do a thing except the 3 fingered dance - Task Manager - end task. But that's not all, a reboot was required as it seemingly wouldn't let go of audio and midi, so you couldn't use any other DAW/audio app until rebooted. Next move was Apps and Features - Mixbus 3 - uninstall.
 
Then I remembered the latest interim release, I had only installed the one I downloaded after purchase, so I reinstalled with that fire Mixbus up again, then Ozone 7 Advanced worked fine. Haven't tried all my plugins of course, that would take quite some time, but out of those I have tried, apart from the false start with O7A, the only one that has given any trouble is EZKeys, as Clint Martin has mentioned.
 
Another issue I found after installation, and this could be coincidence, but I don't really believe in coincidences, and I'm fairly sure it's not. But after installing and then crashing, my PC, which up until this very day would boot and shutdown like clockwork, I mean you could set your watch by it, on boot up it would display the Windows 10 logo thing, and the little spinning dots would complete 3 half cycles, then the login screen would appear. Then on load the desktop and all it's icons would just be there. Now, after installing Mixbus and crashing etc, start up times are longer, the spinning dots still do their dance, but where before it would switch to the login screen, it now repeats the spinning dots dance, only on the second time round they aren't smooth, but jerky, then it will go to the login screen, but when the desktop loads, all the icons are blank and appear one by one as apposed to being there instantly. Mixbus is the only thing that has changed, and as I said, up until now it has been like clockwork. (Lucky I did a full disk backup before installing)
 
As to the fabled Mixbus sound, well it hasn't hit me yet, but it is still early days, I'll have to do a bit of reading up, but I messed around with the channel compressors and EQ's and saturation etc, and if it is there it isn't anything that just slaps you in the face and says 'here I am', but as I said, early days.
 
Overall I would have to say it isn't the most stable DAW going, and when it crashes it crashes good, for me anyway, requiring a reboot 4 out of the 5 times it crashed. In the 18 months I have had this PC build running I pretty much haven't had any many if any crashes, and certainly nothing requiring a reboot. I also think that Mixbus as it stands now is not ready for 'Prime Time' especially as it is pitched as a fully fledged DAW, in which case it seems it is fairly incompetent as it stands with all the issues it has with stuff that is pretty basic in most other DAW's. Perhaps if you just use it for mixing/summing/ finalizing the project you will bypass all or most of it's shortcomings and bugs, but I think if you go into it as a fully fledged DAW as it is being pitched, you are in for a rude awakening. (From my research before purchase, I was aware of this, and had no intention of using it as a DAW as such, but just for it's sound, which still alludes me, and for mixing and the final stages)
 
I will keep plugging away at it, reading up, watching vid's and see how it goes a bit further down the track, but if I had my time over now, I'd give it a miss.

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Re: Harrison Mixbus 3.0-2845 interim release 2015/12/15 22:34:02 (permalink)
It's certainly not for everybody. I hope we were fair and accurate with our short little reviews. I have said before that it can't really be compared with a full mature daw like Sonar or Cubase or whatever. I think it's analog console sound is just perfect for what I'm trying to do, but I do my heavy lifting in Sonar.
I think most of it's short comings are in it's new features like the midi and vsti instruments. I'm not sure what could be causing your start up times to change. I haven't noticed that here, but I'm still on Win 7. I can't seem to get Sonar to work with Win 10. Mixbus worked fine, but Sonar didn't.
The other thing that they are trying to do, which is unique I think. They are trying to build a platform for Linux, Apple and PC. That may be the main culprit with the Mixbus 3 issues.

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Re: Harrison Mixbus 3.0-2845 interim release 2015/12/15 22:47:35 (permalink)
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It's certainly not for everybody. I hope we were fair and accurate with our short little reviews. I have said before that it can't really be compared with a full mature daw like Sonar or Cubase or whatever. I think it's analog console sound is just perfect for what I'm trying to do, but I do my heavy lifting in Sonar.
I think most of it's short comings are in it's new features like the midi and vsti instruments. I'm not sure what could be causing your start up times to change. I haven't noticed that here, but I'm still on Win 7. I can't seem to get Sonar to work with Win 10. Mixbus worked fine, but Sonar didn't.
The other thing that they are trying to do, which is unique I think. They are trying to build a platform for Linux, Apple and PC. That may be the main culprit with the Mixbus 3 issues.




Oh no, I feel everyone has been more than fair, and honest with what has been said, and I was well prepared for the worst. I am not giving up just yet, I have some learning to do, and more messing around to be had, and with the latest interim release it has been much better, only crash on it so far is with EZKeys, and I was prepared for that after your previous comments, and thankfully no reboot was required. As long as the crashes don't come to often and don't require a reboot, I'll keep plugging away.
 
I'm going to spend some time with it and see if my ears 'acclimatize' to it, then switch over to Studio One and see if I notice the difference. It might be one of those things that until you actually hear, become aware of what it is you are looking fro, listening for, you have trouble, but once you do, you see it, hear it forever more.
 
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Re: Harrison Mixbus 3.0-2845 interim release 2015/12/15 22:56:13 (permalink)
Cool. FWIW I've read people claim that after awhile it seems to perform better. I guess we'll see if you notice a difference. I hear a huge difference in my bass, and in my guitar tones. It just seems to have a nice warm analog sound...which isn't always a good thing, but sometimes it's exactly what I want.

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Re: Harrison Mixbus 3.0-2845 interim release 2015/12/18 18:20:13 (permalink)
Well whatever was causing the booting thing has passed , back to being able to set your watch by it. But the last I used Mixbus, it crashed on closing, requiring a reboot to be able to continue with any audio stuff. Not really one for crashing and rebooting, I think I'll sit it out until the next release then have another look.
 
[Edit] oh and TH3 and BIAS FX Pro seem to crash it as well . . . VST support is not the best, and that is seemingly a fairly basic thing that most other DAW's don't have an issue with. But I guess it will improve with time, and only time will tell.
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Re: Harrison Mixbus 3.0-2845 interim release 2015/12/19 11:33:58 (permalink)
How do you handle audio tuning in HMB?
If you are using it to track audio, can Melodyne be used? I now HMB does not have ARRA support.
Or, do most of you export all your song stems and import into HMB to mix?
If you then find you have to go back and edit audit or an instrument, you go back and then export stems again to get it into HMB? I assume that is how some use this.
 
Or, are you using it for just a stereo mix?

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Re: Harrison Mixbus 3.0-2845 interim release 2015/12/19 13:51:21 (permalink)
I do most everything in Sonar and then shift tracks into HMB to produce a final stereo wav file. I've not even thought about using VST's in it and limit myself to using the channel tools provided for EQ, compression and limiting. I find vocals and acoustic guitar really shine in HMB and I'm working on a folk project right now. Very happy with it.

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Re: Harrison Mixbus 3.0-2845 interim release 2015/12/19 18:42:35 (permalink)
I think most just use it in the final stages with stems imported from the workhorse DAW of choice, final mixing what have you in Mixbus. From my experience, which is only short, and from what I read around the place, to do anything else, ie, treat it like you would any other DAW, with all that that encompasses, and expect all to be fine is but a pipe dream at the moment.
 
 The last time I fired it up, I did exactly that, just did a test by exporting some stems from Studio One, importing them into Mixbus, then mixing, messing around with the tracks EQ's, Comps, Saturation etc, no using VST's or anything like that, it seemed to work ok, there were a few strange things, until I shut it down. I saved then closed Mixbus, well tried to, it just froze/crashed, requiring a reboot to be able to continue with any other audio application. I can not kill it from TM, it just refuses to die, thus requiring the reboot. So after that I have decided to wait for either the next interim or official release before trying it again.
 
As for the sound, well to be honest I am yet to hear it, I have no doubt it has it as others are saying, but for me it doesn't really do anything I am already achieving via Studio One and various plugins, tape sims, saturation, EQ, Comps etc. I done a test in my last outing with Mixbus, exported the above mentioned test, just Drums, Bass, Guitars and Vocal, and compared it to the same test, which I exported the stems to Mixbus from, but (roughly) mixed and exported from Studio One, to be honest I couldn't really hear a difference, listened on Headphones, via monitors, stereo system, and if I had to choose one file over the other it would have been the Studio One file. I'd like to finally get it, I'd like to be able to hear it . . . But . . .  Before purchasing and after reading all the reports (the good ones) both here and at other forums, I had imaginings of what the sound would be like (nothing over the top mind you, realistic), but for me it just hasn't become a reality.
 
Lawrence, a very active member over at the Studio One forums (and others), and a reasonably knowledgeable and experienced person in the field recently had this to say
 
I mixed a song in the interim release version yesterday on Win 7. I love the sound and general console workflow but it crashed 3 times in about an hour... just went totally white and had to be forced quit a few times.

They're onto something really great there imo. The only issue for some (the other stuff is largely subjective) is stability. I can take a crash every other day with anything and not be annoyed but when you get multiple crashes doing basic things like just loading their reverb plugin it becomes less tolerable.
 
Pretty much matches my experience thus far, and there are many with similar and worse experiences, there are also those with good experiences, but for me the crashing, especially requiring a reboot to be able to continue is more than I am willing to tolerate, at least for this release, I will however check out new releases in the future.
 
It can, one would hope, only get better, I guess only time will tell.
 
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Re: Harrison Mixbus 3.0-2845 interim release 2015/12/19 19:00:50 (permalink)
Thanks for the input John and Richard.
I am going to wait for a while. I may too many changes (edits, tuning, arranging) in my pre-mixing to commit it to HMB. 
Studio One's project mode works great to be able to get back to the song, edit, and update, while I am mastering. That works well for someone like me that is constantly changing things. 
I am very interested in the way HMB color's the sound. I like a lot of what I have heard. 

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Re: Harrison Mixbus 3.0-2845 interim release 2015/12/20 08:56:02 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby pentimentosound 2015/12/20 09:52:53
Be sure and leave the audio system set to portaudio as default. Don't switch it to asio. Leave the driver set to asio. This was a fix they made early on and was causing a lot of the crashes. Contact me if you want to compare settings. I'm not having the same issues as you guys are. My projects open and save fine. There are a very few VSTs and Instruments that will crash Mixbus, but on it's own...it's been very solid here. I'm guessing the errors are coming from that startup page.
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Re: Harrison Mixbus 3.0-2845 interim release 2015/12/20 13:56:36 (permalink)
Great tip Clint. Thank you. I haven't had a chance to install the update yet, but when I do, I'll make sure it's set up as you said. I haven't really had any crashes with the other update though, so I'm assuming it's set up correctly.
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Re: Harrison Mixbus 3.0-2845 interim release 2015/12/20 17:04:49 (permalink)
I'm here to help if I can. Mixbus 3 does have a few bugs left, but they have been making huge strides with it. It doesn't compare as a daw to what Sonar can do, but it has a nice sound. I look at it like some do with Ozone or T-Racks. It's a nice unique sounding tool for mixing or mastering. It's also nice to be able to over dub if needed.
Someday I'm going to do a song in Mixbus from beginning to end...probably after 3.1 comes out.

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Re: Harrison Mixbus 3.0-2845 interim release 2015/12/20 18:36:54 (permalink)
I just installed the latest update a couple hours ago. I imported a stereo mix and tooled around with it for a while. I'm happy to say that my Faderport is working great in it, and I had no hiccups or crashes.
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Re: Harrison Mixbus 3.0-2845 interim release 2015/12/20 18:44:46 (permalink)
FaderPort is a little weird when you have groups. But I'm sure they will get that kink worked out (at least I hope they do). In the meantime it's suggested to turn the group off if you want to edit a track in the group.
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Re: Harrison Mixbus 3.0-2845 interim release 2015/12/20 19:23:06 (permalink)
Thanks Bapu. I appreciate the tip!
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Re: Harrison Mixbus 3.0-2845 interim release 2015/12/20 19:27:47 (permalink)
Just passing on what I learned on the HMB forum (and some personal experience to boot).
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Re: Harrison Mixbus 3.0-2845 interim release 2015/12/20 21:24:46 (permalink)
Messed with it some more tonight. I did have an instance where it hung up on closing the program. I had to end the process in the task manager. Other than that, it put a very nice sheen on a stereo mix that I imported from Splat.
post edited by Leadfoot - 2015/12/20 21:37:40
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