Has ANYBODY Had Tracks Freeze Incorrectly?

I am running into a problem in Sonar X1 where my vocal tracks do not freeze correctly.

They freeze with audio drop-outs that occur randomly.

Right now, the VST FX signal chain on my vocal track is:

Sonitus Multiband [By Cakewalk]
Gliss EQ [By Voxengo]
iZotope Alloy [By iZotope]
TransGainer [By Voxengo]
AutoTune 7 [By Anteres]
Voxformer [By Voxengo]
iZotope Nectar [By iZotope]

I also use a liberal volume automation curve.

Of these VST effects, Sonitus Multiband and Autotune 7 are 32-bit and so they run in BitBridge on Sonar X1 64 bit. The rest are native 64-bit VSTs.

I am annoyed by the tracks not freezing reliably because it is less efficient CPU-wise. [I'm on a 980X with 16 gigs of RAM and solid state drives and it's still not fast enough without freezing tracks].

Has anybody else ever had a problem with tracks that freeze with random audio drop-outs?

Bub


I haven't had this problem, but I have had problems with X1 changing the interleave from stereo to mono when freezing tracks.

This is exactly what is happening to me. These are two IDENTICAL vocal passages. See how when it freezes, there are random drop-outs?

John T


I've had this happen from time to time in the last few versions, on various plug ins and instruments. BFD does it a lot.

I've found that sometimes it's down to a plug in not playing along with Fast Bounce very well, so sometimes changing the freeze options can help. First thing I'd try here is changing to real-time audible bounce. That usually works for me.

When that doesn't work, I've sometimes found that shutting down and re-starting Sonar, and making the freeze the first thing I do on the new session cures it. Those cases point to a bug in Sonar itself.

I can't recall not being able to get around it with one of those two approaches, but variable mileage and all that.

Interesting. Changing to real-time audible bounce does seem to fix this for me, but MAAAAAN is that SLOW! You'd think it would be able to figure out just to bounce the clips but nope -- it starts at the beginning of the track all the way to the end of the final clip. Thanks for the info!

Ah... so I suppose the BounceBuffer thing being its own setting means that you can have something that plays back fine in realtime, but has worse performance off-line.

I've thought for a while that some of those config options need hauling into the realm of the less techy and obscure. In this example, you could have plain English options for "Bounce How I Hear It" and "Set Special Bounce Settings", something like that.

ba_midi

Corling


I am running into a problem in Sonar X1 where my vocal tracks do not freeze correctly.

They freeze with audio drop-outs that occur randomly.

Right now, the VST FX signal chain on my vocal track is:

Sonitus Multiband [By Cakewalk]
Gliss EQ [By Voxengo]
iZotope Alloy [By iZotope]
TransGainer [By Voxengo]
AutoTune 7 [By Anteres]
Voxformer [By Voxengo]
iZotope Nectar [By iZotope]

I also use a liberal volume automation curve.

Of these VST effects, Sonitus Multiband and Autotune 7 are 32-bit and so they run in BitBridge on Sonar X1 64 bit. The rest are native 64-bit VSTs.

I am annoyed by the tracks not freezing reliably because it is less efficient CPU-wise. [I'm on a 980X with 16 gigs of RAM and solid state drives and it's still not fast enough without freezing tracks].

Has anybody else ever had a problem with tracks that freeze with random audio drop-outs?

Two thoughts:
 
1- you can try changing the BounceBufMs size to 100 (I'm not sure I spelled it right, but it's the bounce buffer milliseconds variable in aud.ini).   This basically acts as if you raised the latency for mixing/bouncing.  It should be accessible via the preferences and directly in aud.ini file.
 
2- If you're using the 64bit Double Precision Engine, try not using it for the freezing/bouncing.
 
And lastly, try raising your audio buffer latency just a tiny bit.
 
Because you're using a somewhat big fx chain, it might be putting too much pressure on the system if you're latency is too low.
 
 

YES, THAT gets Fast Bounce working reliably.

BounceBufSizeMsec=100

THat was the solution I needed.

Now I can not get the Fast Bounce to drop out whereas before it had random dropouts every time. Thanks!