AnsweredHas anyone built a "hackintosh"?

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2015/03/07 19:08:23 (permalink)

Has anyone built a "hackintosh"?

Note to forum hosts.  If this violates the COC, please delete.  I have no idea what the legal status of building one is and i have no intention of starting a convo on an illegal act.
 
For those who unfamiliar with the term, it is simply a pc built to run Mac OS.  I know Apple doesn't support, but as long as you are buying legitimate software to run it, it's still money in their pockets.  In any case,  i was wondering if anyone could share their experoiences.
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Re: Has anyone built a "hackintosh"? 2015/03/07 21:51:12 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2015/03/08 01:46:18
There is no legal status to building a computer that is optimized to run an Apple OS. Build as many as you want.
 
The club is wielded by the licensing terms of the OS. example:
"Permitted License Uses and Restrictions.
A. This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time." So unless the computer is Apple authorized (they do not actually build anything themselves) you will be running unlicensed software.
 
Apple decided some time ago that the money in their pocked was best extracted from your wallet by selling obscenely overpriced hardware and making the OS and updates a part of the deal. Microsoft has made a similar plan to stop charging for Windows OS going forward for many users. They plan to make money by selling you useless services, to which the OS will be your gateway, instead of overpriced hardware, which has not been selling all that well for them.
 
 
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Re: Has anyone built a "hackintosh"? 2015/03/08 01:45:31 (permalink)
interesting.  i find it incredible that you can build the equivalent of a $4000 mac for about $1000
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Re: Has anyone built a "hackintosh"? 2015/03/09 12:43:13 (permalink)
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interesting.  i find it incredible that you can build the equivalent of a $4000 mac for about $1000

That might be a wee bit extreme, but I know several folks that have built Hackintoshes, and they work, and in two cases they are in use in studios running Logic and DP.
 
Since all I'd want to do is run DP and Max and a couple other things that work better on a Mac I'd probably just go with a Mac Mini - but it would be fun to build one.

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Re: Has anyone built a "hackintosh"? 2015/03/09 13:03:39 (permalink)
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interesting.  i find it incredible that you can build the equivalent of a $4000 mac for about $1000

That might be a wee bit extreme, but I know several folks that have built Hackintoshes, and they work, and in two cases they are in use in studios running Logic and DP.
 
Since all I'd want to do is run DP and Max and a couple other things that work better on a Mac I'd probably just go with a Mac Mini - but it would be fun to build one.


Might be a tad extreme depending on core components. Top level graphic cards likely to be used by one doing high end 3d and compositing work are going to push the price closer to the Mac price, but a good shopper can get deals close to half of what the Mac price would be.. I priced out the components of a 2800 Mac once to about 650 with a very quick search. This did rely on recycling some already owned components.
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Re: Has anyone built a "hackintosh"? 2015/03/09 15:36:18 (permalink)
I have a pretty powerful computer and a high end video card. Could I turn it into a Mac by adding a drive with OSX installed? That might be REAL good. I could have the best of both worlds.

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Re: Has anyone built a "hackintosh"? 2015/03/10 02:33:54 (permalink)
Some configurations work better than others i have heard .
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Re: Has anyone built a "hackintosh"? 2015/03/10 13:57:25 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2015/03/10 14:23:02
The problem is mainly the drivers for the components. Because they are in control of the systems, Mac OS can ship will all the drivers you will ever need for their machine. Stray very far from that and you are faced with writing your own interfacing code (or depending on someone in Cloud having done so for you) or hacking the underlying OS to let you install something non-Apple. There is a cottage industry producing kexts but not every component is going to have one available.
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Re: Has anyone built a "hackintosh"? 2015/03/10 14:24:20 (permalink)
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The problem is mainly the drivers for the components. Because they are in control of the systems, Mac OS can ship will all the drivers you will ever need for their machine. Stray very far from that and you are faced with writing your own interfacing code (or depending on someone in Cloud having done so for you) or hacking the underlying OS to let you install something non-Apple. There is a cottage industry producing kexts but not every component is going to have one available.


That is what I fear most, every minor update renedering the OS useless until a hack comes along. Not much incentive for Apple to make Mac drivers for unsupported hardware. I suppose making a dual-boot machine based on configurations known to work would at least have the consolation of being a  usable windows machine if the mac partition starts acting up.
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Re: Has anyone built a "hackintosh"? 2015/03/10 21:04:05 (permalink) ☼ Best Answerby dubdisciple 2015/03/11 02:15:45
I know someone who built a couple of hackintoshes, both of which ended up being regularly overtaken by OS and application updates. Though it did give him a cheap platform for Mac-compatible Pro Tools for a while. Talking to him about the hacks always reminded me of talking to linux users in the 90s. An awful lot of "to get round that I had to...." and "looks like I'm going to have to write the code myself for...".

A couple of years ago he finally ran up the the white flag, visited his local Apple merchants and invested in an iMac and MacBook Pro on which he runs Logic Pro. His conversation now features computers and their odd behaviour, incompatabilities and constant need for tweaking much less than it used to, for which I am very grateful.

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Re: Has anyone built a "hackintosh"? 2015/03/11 02:13:55 (permalink)
thanks.  That gives me some perspective
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Re: Has anyone built a "hackintosh"? 2015/03/11 17:03:41 (permalink)
Well, I'm not saying it's impossible to build a working Mac clone, but going by his experience and what I've seen on forums when considering doing it myself it looks like a bit of a lottery whether it's worth the potential trouble.

I ended up getting an Apple-refurbished iMac, still expensive for what they are but a bit of a saving over the prices for brand new ones.

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Re: Has anyone built a "hackintosh"? 2015/03/12 05:59:40 (permalink)
I really wouldn't recommend the hackintosh thing unless you meet one of two rather specific situations:
 
1) You have some software you really must use, and simply cannot afford to get a Mac for it. I don't mean some software you prefer but have a Windows alternative, I mean you don't have a choice and there is just no financial way a Mac that can handle it can happen.
 
2) You want to play around and see how it work, knowing that it isn't going to work perfect, or maybe at all. You aren't relying on it, just playing.
 
Otherwise, don't do it. If you need a reliable OS-X system, buy one from Apple. Yes they are overpriced, but that it how it goes with Apple. You pay too much for what you get, but it is all from one company so it is generally easy to get support.
 
Or, of course, you can go the route I recommend and just use Windows. I really doubt you are in a situation where OS-X is necessary, you can almost always find what you need in Windows. So use a Windows system and be done with it. Cheaper, and more flexible.
 
OS-X doesn't have any magic sauce that makes it a special OS, it is a modern OS just like any other. It has some good points and bad points but ultimately it is nothing special. To the extent Apple offers anything special it is the hardware/software integration since they control both and thus can (at least in theory) make them work very well together. Of course that goes out the window with hackintosh.
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Re: Has anyone built a "hackintosh"? 2015/03/12 11:30:26 (permalink)
My 2 cents and observation. 
My son did this in an attempt to make a Dell laptop work for his DJ audio set up. Could not get rid of a DPCL spike in Windows. So he partitioned the drive and first tried Lynux Ubuntu worse because no drivers for his Native Instrument set up. So he installed OSX which had drivers and of course the DPCL issue was still there because it was the bios. He did enjoy mucking about for about a year but being his age hated it because you have to pay!! for stuff, unlike Windows where everything is pirated. But it did work and I used it a few times and could see no difference at all, the laptop was the wrong colour( black) that's all. If you do this make sure everything is white or silver.. 
 
My other observation is with the schools. I used to work there in maintenance and school bus, my daughter and many friends are teachers and administrators. The IT guy who works for my wife's dental office also works for the School district. He was hired by the SD because he was a mac guy. 
10 years ago 80% of the school computers were Macs. There was some deal that Apple made that is history now. But over time the Mac's have all but disappeared and the local SD has gone 100% Lenovo and HP. A few teachers still have the Mac Books but have been told they are on there own for tech support now. The SD opted out of the Mac world due to networking and costs issues with maintaining them. 
My daughter hated her Mac and is happy to have a "real " laptop now. The Macs were always screwing up and spent more time on the workbench and when the OS goes out of date you cannot re use them. Now she can deal with little things herself and the techs are slowly being cut back in their hours. She said, when a Mac's screws up you cannot fix it your self and overall the Mac Books were not dependable at all. The Lenovo's seem bulletproof and work on the network much better.  
They still use iPads big time in schools with the Smart Blackboards and for the better teaching apps. 
My wife's IT guy recommends Macs if you have the cash for personal use and Lenovo's or HP for business, networking and servers. He still uses a Mac personally, but works with 90% PC now. My wife's boss the dentist of course uses a Mac. 
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Re: Has anyone built a "hackintosh"? 2015/03/12 16:30:54 (permalink)
I never bought into the myth that Mac OS is inherently better than windows. My curiosity is based on practical reasons. For personal and business use, Windows works fine for me. However, I work with a lot of Mac users, including a number of people I tutor. It would be helpful to have some of the software at home. Also, although I love Sonar, I do like some things about Logic better. I also have students who are Final Cut users. 
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Re: Has anyone built a "hackintosh"? 2015/03/12 18:57:49 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2015/03/12 19:20:24
Ultimately, "better" depends on what one wants and needs - it's quite subjective.
 
I like visiting Apple's web site one night, spend under an hour shopping, going to the Apple store downtown the next day and have everything up and running as soon as I press power - the only thing left to do is log into my account and download my DAW.
 
Meaning a couple of hours and I'm done thinking about computers and tech stuff for another 3 or 4 years.
 
 
A lot of people wouldn't opt for that, so Windows is by far "better" for them.
 
I don't know what Johnny means about the OS out of date and becoming unusable. That doesn't make sense. My 2010 Macbook Pro is now back to being a portable. Works A1 and has never required service. Neither has my wife's.  
 
The only maintenance I did was to run a "Verify Disk" and "Repair Disk Permissions" once every now and then - actually, I've probably done that less that 10 times in 5 years.
 
Mine has been on all day and served as a DAW for years, around for 60 hours + a week and  never had an issue. Of course, it is not optimized to run the latest OS - just like any aging PC isn't necessarily the best machine to run newer versions of Windows. So I replaced it.
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: Has anyone built a "hackintosh"? 2015/03/12 19:18:48 (permalink)
I will probably just bite the buillet and buy a mac at some point.
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Re: Has anyone built a "hackintosh"? 2015/03/12 19:59:33 (permalink)
Last PC I put together w/ the help of a friend could technically have been made into a Hackintosh, w/ the parts I had, and I studied the option for a while, having quite a bit of time on my hands that spring.
 
But I realized that it was probably the most un-Apple thing to do, short of building you own processor. I envisioned headache after headache.
 
Running a Windows PC was actually more in line with the Apple experience.
 
 

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Re: Has anyone built a "hackintosh"? 2015/03/15 05:29:56 (permalink)
the real question is why ?
 
Unless you plan on using Logic ....no need to go OSX crap is it is less optimized for real time audio/video streaming .. understand here that Windows (this might sounds crazy for a non documented guy) is best sitable for audio than OSX bling bling crap  .....  

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Re: Has anyone built a "hackintosh"? 2015/03/15 07:12:17 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2015/03/15 11:52:49
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the real question is why ?
 
no need to go OSX crap is it is less optimized for real time audio/video streaming .. understand here that Windows (this might sounds crazy for a non documented guy) is best sitable for audio than OSX bling bling crap  .....  


 
There's a point where every rationnal PV vs Mac discussion goes wrong - some guy rides in and introduces a **** pro or anti argument like that and the discussion takes a turn for the worst...
 
The day you can use Windows default drivers to run your audio interface and get even better performance than you would using the manufacturer's drivers, you'll have a case. Until then, Windows is not optimized for audio.
 
It can be, with a bit of work.
 
Windows has its own strengths - every "documented guy" knows and admit that - regardless of their platform of choice.
 
Please, don't **** up this discussion with anti/pro propaganda... Just don't.  This wasn't the point. Don't ruin it. No one here is that stupid, we can figure things out, you know?
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Has anyone built a "hackintosh"? 2015/03/15 12:00:32 (permalink)
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the real question is why ?
 
Unless you plan on using Logic ....no need to go OSX crap is it is less optimized for real time audio/video streaming .. understand here that Windows (this might sounds crazy for a non documented guy) is best sitable for audio than OSX bling bling crap  .....  


The real question is what I exactly what I asked. I could care less about the Mac vs PC debate because it leads to these kinds of posts. The fact that you were so eager to make an anti-Mac statement that you completely ignored the fact that I already explained why, speaks volumes. I have no intention of abandoning PC, but I am also weighing the benefits of having a Mac as well. Yes, Apple products are excessively priced, but most things in our world are to varying degrees. I use Logic in the studio and often have clients or collaborators that use Final Cut. Not to mention working with students who are Mac users. I really don't see the point of chiming in to simply bash Apple when it does not change anything that lead to the actual question you totally ignored.
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Re: Has anyone built a "hackintosh"? 2015/03/23 04:02:02 (permalink)
i never understood what my friend was tring to get out of building a Hackintosh,he has problems with drivers,running his programs and just general useability tring to run PT and Logic on it.
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