Has anyone tried using those compact flourescent bubs in a studio?

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2011/05/18 17:00:21 (permalink)

Has anyone tried using those compact flourescent bubs in a studio?

From what I understand, incandescentbulbs will no longer be available after January 1 2012. Unless the outcry really gets loud... still. I think all the re-tooling is being done so that even if they remove the ban, the proce will still go way up for incandescents.
 
So... will the CF bulbs be a noise problem or will they just cause seizures... DOH. You know some people can actually see the lightpulse that a CF bulb produces. They go on/off 60 times a second.
 
Are you hoarding bulbs? I am about to start. Then there are the new LED bulbs that cost 20 to 50 bucks each. I don't imagine they make noise. They use little energy but you have no savings because they cost so much... thank you mr government.
 
Anyway, all I meant to ask was will the CF bulbs be a noise problem in the home studio. I already have to use a noise conditioner because our power is noisy before it ever gets to our house.
 
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    Re:Has anyone tried using those compact flourescent bubs in a studio? 2011/05/18 17:18:53 (permalink)
    Considering that if you break one you have to stop short of putting on a HAZMAT suit to clean it up, I think a little buzzing is the least of your worries.

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    As for the noise, it shouldn't happen if you have properly grounded circuits and don't have them too close to equipment. The only way to tell is to go get some and try them. I only have 1 circuit in my home studio and I have two CFL lights, a short string of white incandescent Christmas lights, powered monitors, PC, sound card, monitor, space heater in the winter,  ... and no noise.

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    Re:Has anyone tried using those compact flourescent bubs in a studio? 2011/05/18 17:23:33 (permalink)
    I haven't seen too much of a problem with the curly bulbs except that they emitt, somewhat, a "nerdy" vibe. 

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    Re:Has anyone tried using those compact flourescent bubs in a studio? 2011/05/18 17:53:32 (permalink)
    I tried an LED 30W bulb just to see if it had any effect in the studio.  It did not have an effect on the sound, but it did on my mood.  The color that they think is a warm yellow is a sickly yellow-grey.


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    Re:Has anyone tried using those compact flourescent bubs in a studio? 2011/05/18 17:59:35 (permalink)
    Well, that is good to hear... I don't need any extra noise (some might consider my music noise anyway, laff) I can't wait to "accidentally" break one in a store. There should be a special day each month for everyone to go and break one in a public place, until they get off our backs and let us choose what we want. That would fall under civil disobedience wouldn't it? It is OK for conservatives to practice civil disobedience isn't it... probably not, what was I thinking if a conservative practised civil disobedience it would just be criminal... I am just not thinking right, sorry.
    Probably because i've been reading The Law by Frederick Bastiat http://bastiat.org/

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    Re:Has anyone tried using those compact flourescent bubs in a studio? 2011/05/18 19:50:55 (permalink)
    I tried an LED 30W bulb just to see if it had any effect in the studio. It did not have an effect on the sound, but it did on my mood. The color that they think is a warm yellow is a sickly yellow-grey.

     
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    Re:Has anyone tried using those compact flourescent bubs in a studio? 2011/05/18 20:31:34 (permalink)
    Real light bulbs will still be available in Mexico for owners of recording studios and spraypaint booths. At least, until they are able to train incandescent bulb-sniffing dogs at the border. Then the price will just go up.


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    Re:Has anyone tried using those compact flourescent bubs in a studio? 2011/05/18 21:03:23 (permalink)
    I have several of my voice talents now requesting CF bulbs in the recording rooms due to their being cooler.  The A studio does get awful hot in a lengthy session.  I'm planning on swapping out this week or next.  If it's a problem I'll scream appropriately.

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    Re:Has anyone tried using those compact flourescent bubs in a studio? 2011/05/19 01:01:35 (permalink)
    dude i got two of these mounted right on top of my workstation..it does nothing at all..my control room is set up a little sort of a workstation cubicle with a wrap around three walls desk and overhead storage compartments with those light built in underneath

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    Re:Has anyone tried using those compact flourescent bubs in a studio? 2011/05/19 04:59:23 (permalink)
    I had to take them out of my studio - they made the guitars buzz like crazy - and I even bought power conditioners to try and solve it.

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    Re:Has anyone tried using those compact flourescent bubs in a studio? 2011/05/19 07:15:11 (permalink)
    I think most of them have tiny little switching power supplies built in the base. The kind of power supplies that occasionally burst in to flames.

    The switching power supplies replace the old noisy ballasts which is what primarily created the buzz on sound signals.

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    Re:Has anyone tried using those compact flourescent bubs in a studio? 2011/05/19 08:04:30 (permalink)
    when your room is cold , they take a bit to "warm up " to illumination output, plus the 30 watts one I had just didnt seem to output enough illumination.

    Incandescent bulbs will be available as "personal space heating devices"

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    Re:Has anyone tried using those compact flourescent bubs in a studio? 2011/05/19 08:54:11 (permalink)
    I had them everywhere but they drove me crazy with weird light and a bit of noise. Just converted the studio to LED which is low heat, nice light and apparently noise free, although 2 weeks isn't enough time to really know.

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    Re:Has anyone tried using those compact flourescent bubs in a studio? 2011/05/19 10:27:36 (permalink)
    I use them with no problems.
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    Re:Has anyone tried using those compact flourescent bubs in a studio? 2011/05/19 11:13:21 (permalink)
    I use them with no problems either.  I haven't heard any noise from them either in the room or through equpiment.

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    Re:Has anyone tried using those compact flourescent bubs in a studio? 2011/05/19 14:27:07 (permalink)
     I have two 15W CF bulbs in my studio and I have never had any problems. They are directly on either side of my active monitors.

     I use a halogen  light set directly over the desk hooked through an X10 control also with no problems.

      

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    Re:Has anyone tried using those compact flourescent bubs in a studio? 2011/05/19 14:31:53 (permalink)
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    I tried an LED 30W bulb just to see if it had any effect in the studio.  It did not have an effect on the sound, but it did on my mood.  The color that they think is a warm yellow is a sickly yellow-grey.


    I think the LED bulbs will get better and cheaper over time. Who  knows, at some point you may be able to program the bulb for any color you want.  I agree with the poor color on some, kinda makes that sun burst Gibson look more like a urine burst.
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    Re:Has anyone tried using those compact flourescent bubs in a studio? 2011/05/19 14:42:11 (permalink)
    There are different quality's and that's the issue. I have some I bought 4 years ago that are outside and on for about 8 hours every day for security lighting on my studio building. They are still going, When I used regular bulbs I had to replace them a couple of times a year. But then I bought some from the dollar store for use in my hallways and they only lasted 6 months.
    The old long tubes are just as hazardous and know one ever complained.
    I worked in a Ice rink and we used to toss them in the dumpster by the dozens.
    LED will be the next thing but they do need to do something about the color tones. They are amazing as band lighting , way less power used and no more sweating like a pig in the summer in small clubs.

    There is a buzzing from CFL bulbs, but it should not find it's way into your AC power, it will transmit RF interference to a poorly shielded guitar.  I tried one in a work lamp near my recording stuff and had to go find a Halogen bulb instead.

    I use mostly Halogen bulbs now.  These are almost $10 but I have some that are 6 years old now. They don't get that hot because the glass is real thick. They are also more energy efficient than a cheapo incandescent bulb. I do not have any regular bulbs in my house anymore. Only 1 yard spot.  



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    Re:Has anyone tried using those compact flourescent bubs in a studio? 2011/05/19 15:05:47 (permalink)
    O.K.   I can somewhat relate to this.... I bought a really nice small antique table lamp for my studio and when I got home, I realized that there was no on/off switch. I replaced the bulb with one of the smaller curly replacements ( which I just happened to have). Since it doesn't get hot, to turn on and off I simply screw the bulb in.  I've become quite fond of it, now.  It doesn't seem to emit any additional power in the 60Hz range over what's currently there in my case.

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    Re:Has anyone tried using those compact flourescent bubs in a studio? 2011/05/19 16:40:51 (permalink)
    Been using flourescents for a few years now, swapping them in as filament bulbs have burned out.

    Pros - less power used - which is the whole point of them of course. They may work out cheaper in the long run, especially as the price of the bulbs has dropped from the original outrageous amounts (in the UK at least).

    However, lifespan isn't always (anything like) as long as claimed, especially with cheap bulbs. Light output is quite noticeably less than the "equivalent" conventional bulb, and the light has a different "quality". You may well need more lights/light fittings.

    As for RFI/EMI noise, they generally start off not being a problem, but can end up causing interference with guitars and guitar fx as they age.

    Flickering I've not found to be a problem. We're at 50Hz mains and my screen refresh is 60Hz and I've never noticed any of the visual effects you get when a flourescent tube is getting dodgy. Nor do I get the migraines flickering big tubes give me, so I guess flicker isn't much of a problem.

    If possible though, I'd say go for LED bulbs. They're more directional but give more light, and they often seem to last longer than the flourescents, especially if they're switched on and off frequently.

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    Re:Has anyone tried using those compact flourescent bubs in a studio? 2011/05/19 20:14:39 (permalink)
    I've used them..... I'm mixed on them.

    Pro's: use less energy, emit less heat, long life if used correctly, seem to work OK in studio without issues

    Con's: highly toxic stuff inside them, color temperature is not as sweet as incadescent, they start dim and brighten up, usable life is drastically shortened if they are left on for extended periods of time.

    I have a light bulb run planned this weekend.  Time to start stocking up.

    BTW: they will be banning the lower 75w and 60w lamps as well, so stock up with enough to last the rest of your lifetime. And, as time goes on, the price will rise so you can start your own black market business in lightbulbs.

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    Re:Has anyone tried using those compact flourescent bubs in a studio? 2011/05/19 20:46:57 (permalink)
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    I've used them..... I'm mixed on them.

    Pro's: use less energy, emit less heat, long life if used correctly, seem to work OK in studio without issues

    Con's: highly toxic stuff inside them, color temperature is not as sweet as incadescent, they start dim and brighten up, usable life is drastically shortened if they are left on for extended periods of time.

    I have a light bulb run planned this weekend.  Time to start stocking up.

    BTW: they will be banning the lower 75w and 60w lamps as well, so stock up with enough to last the rest of your lifetime. And, as time goes on, the price will rise so you can start your own black market business in lightbulbs.

    you've mixed on flourescent bulbs?  how did you connect them to your soundcard?  did you need a "bulb-phone amp" between the soundcard and the bulbs? 
     
    as far as stocking up on incandescents and black market.  - nah.  couldn't care less if I have to use flourescent or LED bulbs in the future.  no storage space will be filled with light bulbs in my house.  I have other things of greater concern than the supply and demand of light bulbs.

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    Re:Has anyone tried using those compact flourescent bubs in a studio? 2011/05/19 22:31:26 (permalink)
    Since we've completely replaced all incandescent bulbs with the circular CF types here, we've got a stock of around 20 somewhat used incandescents in a cupboard.  Sounds like I should wait a bit and sell them on eBay, eh?

    I haven't had any issues with the new CF bulbs but, as was mentioned above, it was the ballast that mainly caused the hum issues anyway.  Plus, I'm always warm AND I love rooms that are very bright - a combination that leads to excessive A/C usage (which causes it's own "brown-outs" and noise), so I'm loving these new CF bulbs (at least after I got used to them).

    I personally like the "cooler" colors, that is, the ones that seem more blue-ish, but I've got two in my bedroom that are very bright and exactly the same color as the incandescents they replaced so they DO exist!  (You just have to look around for them, and try out a few brands until you find some that are a color you like.)

     
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    Re:Has anyone tried using those compact flourescent bubs in a studio? 2011/05/20 02:36:32 (permalink)

    Has anyone tried using those compact flourescent bubs in a studio?
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    ...I have two CFL lights, a short string of white incandescent Christmas lights, powered monitors, PC, sound card, monitor, space heater in the winter... 

    yeah but how many bubs do you have Bub? 
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    Re:Has anyone tried using those compact flourescent bubs in a studio? 2011/05/20 10:12:19 (permalink)
    A few quick comments from an energy auditor:

    incandescent bulbs will still be available for special fixtures and applications, meaning: chandelier , rough service, colored bulbs and other decorative applications,...

    Halogen bulbs are available and will be available since they give the minimum energy saving/light gain required by the new regs.  These are my favorite since when dimmed the give nice light.  (buy a good dimmer and ground it or it will give you noise.  OMMV on this)  I do this in my own studio without problems.

    Yes cfl's have mercury in them but if you are connected to coal fired power (most of us) the amount of mercury going into the air as a byproduct of burning it to power a standard bulb is greater than that in a cfl.  Some small consolation,...  And many light tempuratures (what we think of as light color) are available the I find pleasant.  Pay attention when you get one.  I use "kitchen and bath" instead of "cool white" or "utility"

    One thing we don't think about with incandescent lighting is heat load.  That 10% efficient item is putting out the excess 90% in heat.  This may be fine in the winter but in the summer you pay for it with the AC: on top of paying for the juice for the bulb.

    I was talking to the VP of a local High School last week who was telling me about how changing their fixtures to efficient ones cut their electricity bill in half.  Granted a school uses a lot of light but that is scalable to a home,...

    I also have a friend who has about a 10 year supply of bulbs and keeps buying.  He wants to get enough so he can die with extras to pass onto his kids.  He's also the same guy who pays for a separate trash service (around here it's a city function) so he won't have to recycle,...

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    Re:Has anyone tried using those compact flourescent bubs in a studio? 2011/05/20 10:46:47 (permalink)
     
      I have more studio related problems with the erroneous stuff generated into my guitar effects due to their close proximity to my desktop tower. Everything has to be at least 3ft from it or I get interference. I know this has to be generated by airwave because it goes away when I move things away from it.

     I have two computers in my studio and I notice the problem with both of them.

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    Re:Has anyone tried using those compact flourescent bubs in a studio? 2011/05/20 14:21:19 (permalink)
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    I have more studio related problems with the erroneous stuff generated into my guitar effects due to their close proximity to my desktop tower. 


    Agreed - the electrical interference from PCs is far greater than that from low energy bulbs. So is the hum caused by using single coils too close to an amp/powered monitor/bank of wall warts.

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    Re:Has anyone tried using those compact flourescent bubs in a studio? 2011/05/22 16:27:31 (permalink)
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    I was thinking about this recently and came across this thread. This is interesting particularly in helping me get bead on where halogen falls.
    [link=http://www.green-energy-efficient-homes.com/halogen-light-energy-efficiency.html]http://www.green-energy-e...energy-efficiency.html[/link]
     
    " If you only want light directly under the light bulb, it's perfectly legitimate to measure light this way. The trouble is that most home renos these days don't take account of the halogen light energy efficiency that makes these lights so wasteful. For example, you can put two 60-watt incandescent bulbs in a ceiling light fixture and light up an entire 10x10 foot room very brightly. But try putting two 60 watt halogen bulbs in pot lights in the same room. The light will be very, very bright directly under each of the bulbs, but the far corners will be in deep shadow. We overcome this by sticking in 4, or 6, or even 9 halogen lights to get rid of these deep shadows. The result is that the room feels nice and bright, and our energy use is about 2 to 5 times greater than with incandescent light bulbs. " 
     
    Add to that, not being particularly keen on the sharper direct light style in the first place (nor the very bright spots' coming in from the peripherals— and makes me want to have a hat on' : >)  sways me considerably.
    post edited by mixsit - 2011/05/22 16:44:50

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