Hatfields & McCoys

Hi,

You know how many things that show up in your BBC, do not get shown on the American version ... BBC America? ...

I'll go cry now!

I found the trailer disturbing, and will not likely watch it myself. I am losing my taste for extraordinary violence, even if depicted as historical.

Hi,

I think there was a B film made in Hollywood about this ... and it was also bloody, in that the incessant screaming and destruction of plates, walls, glass and all that was never ending ... and the Hollywood sound of bullets of course!

You could tell that it was violent and then some.

The American past WAS violent, no less so than anyone else, and American history books have, for a long time hidden most of it, including the atrocities on American Indians (thus the concessions on land and casinos in the past 30 years), and the American Blacks. The American Black thing is still hidden and not a comfortable discussion with some really nasty stuff that I have heard and seen, that is not print'able here ... up to and including customers!

But too much of it is a lack of respect in the schools ... because in some areas there is still too much animosity about the greens, the whites, the blacks, the blues and the rockers, and the schooling does not show that the kids are learning, but instead are maintaining the hate status quo!

The H & M's thing, was brutal ... but then, Michael Cimino's Heaven's Gate was trashed senseless because it WAS violent, and everyone wanted to maintain and keep a nice vision/version of the way that the West was Won and built in America ... with no indians anywhere in sight, of course! Because they were nekkid, I bet!

It's good to see that ... in many ways, the movies showed everyone that war was hell in the 50's and 60's ... but it did not help anyone prevent any further wars, and today, the same thing is still happening in the Middle East, in Pakistan, Afganistan, and so many other areas in Africa.

Makes me wonder what good is all this media thing ... when it doesn't help.

I don't have an answer.

I thought that "The Wild Bunch" was fabulous and one "true" western, compared to the Hollywood factory thing ... and I liked it and still do. It resonates with reality. But when Sam did Straw Dogs, it was not longer fun or enjoyable and the meaning was corrupted by the ugliness involved. It was probably very real, but all of a sudden it had more of a ring to it ... this is a novel ... a literary event! NO ... it was a cinematic finger! And I didn't bother with Sam anymore after that!

Seeing Gaspar Noe today is the same thing ... it is brutally vicious at times, and you get to see it, and when you see "Je Suis Seul" it makes you wonder ... is this cinema? ... is this what the whole thing is about? ... is this just a bad acid trip on Sandoz in someone's mind? ... and then you see "Irreversible" ... and it is a total trip backwards, with all the delusions, drugs and reality that you can think of or experience ... and one's view of "cinema" or "entertainment" gets really jilted.

One last thing ... half the folks walked out of Noe's "Je Suis Seul" at the Film Festival, and that tells you that they will go see that crazy film by Almodovar because it is more fun to watch ... that ... that film over there! Or something a bit on the left hand by Steven Sodderbsburger! Or some fancy money film with the word "Potter" on it.

I saw a lot of these films as a kid ... when you see "Kanal" (Polish film) ... you see the same thing and the reality of all the blood is not necessary for you to get the idea ... it is horrific, regardless of how you look at it.

But then you can look at history like this, too ... you do know that one of the greatest influences of the "horror" literature in the 1760's was the French Revolution and politics, right? ... and you already know what they were known for as well, and it set off an incredible array of gory literature, and it only stopped around 1810 or so when Mary Shelley wrote Frankenstein ... and she borrowed all the stuff that Lord Polidori (their doctor!!!) knew and used it ... and he had written a very gory and one of the first vampire stories ever written!

I'm not sure that we live in a society that believes in peace and love ... the very same idea that we fought for 40 years ago, before the media made us look like idiots that were too stoned and stupid ... and left garbage behind ... we couldn't even respect the national anthem!

What do you expect?

'Open Range' is one my favourite movies.

jamesg1213


'Open Range' is one my favourite movies.

I like "Broken Trail" as well.
Also "Camanche Moon" and "Lonesome Dove".
 
"Dances With Wolves" the extended directors cut...excellent. Much better than the theatrical.

Moshkiae

bapu

jamesg1213


'Open Range' is one my favourite movies.

Was Glascock in that one too?

yes he was Bapu! And in Carmen, too!

Whhhhhhaaaaaaattttt?????!!!????

jamesg1213


You guys 'over there' watching this yet? It looks fantastic, hope we get it in the UK.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hg9mvE1FA4

Looks like Channel 5 have the rights, broadcast date TBA

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ys_%28TV_miniseries%29

bapu

jamesg1213


'Open Range' is one my favourite movies.

Was Glascock in that one too?

Why are you bringing porn into the discussion?

craigb

space_cowboy

bapu

jamesg1213


'Open Range' is one my favourite movies.

Was Glascock in that one too?

Why are you bringing porn into the discussion?

It's a carryover from that bit about Johnsons in another thread.

See? craigb saw what I dun there.

The history of the world has been violence since the beginning. 

The world we live in now is no less dangerous than that of the 1800's or any other time frame you might choose.

the only thing that changes are the weapons of choice. Rocks, clubs, knives, bows & arrows, flintlocks, six shooters, Sharpes rifles, tommy guns, glocks, AK's, bombs, cannons.... doesn't matter.... 

People will always have disagreements that lead to bloodshed, and bad people will always try to do evil to good people, and good people will always seek to defend themselves from the deeds of the bad and evil people. That's just the way it is. 

I love watching a good western movie. 

Violence was part  of that history...... for better or worse. We can not change what was before, but perhaps we can learn from it and not repeat it? Hopefully? 

I know the incident you're talking about Michael. Can't agree with your take on it though. Ritchie was being a d***, and let his band members, and the audience down. The cameraman was doing his job, Purple were being filmed. To have the band beat up a cameraman wouldn't really be setting a great example to the audience, and may well have lead to worse. Blackmore was well reknowned for being a sulky prima donna, the slightest thing was likely to set him off in those days.

jamesg1213


I know the incident you're talking about Michael. Can't agree with your take on it though. Ritchie was being a d***, and let his band members, and the audience down. The cameraman was doing his job, Purple were being filmed. To have the band beat up a cameraman wouldn't really be setting a great example to the audience, and may well have lead to worse. Blackmore was well reknowned for being a sulky prima donna, the slightest thing was likely to set him off in those days.

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That's why there were Hatfields and McCoys and still.
 
As far as I know- I've never seen it published of exactly what went down BUT
it doesn't change the fact that he stood alone....for whatever reason.
IF he had the sulky prima donna issue then they should have resolved it long
before the incident of which we are referring.
He wasn't pissed like somebody had eaten his Butterfinger....he was mad over something
serious. That's what I think...and will until I know for a fact what happened.
 
Hell if he was a sick SOB that just went off on people then it seems like the only reason
they tolerated it was for money. Something I wouldn't be proud to admit to.
 
Of course -should I have been him or one of the other members it would have been
resolved much earlier if indeed what you say is fact. I know of no other blow-ups on
or off the stage.
 
Without doubt if my bros don't stand by me one time when the chips are down...it's the last time.
 
No doubt one can do things that make one question if it's really safe to go fishing with them.
( something in the movie I don't want to spoil )
 
Different strokes for different folks.
 
 
 
 
 
 

I've played gigs and told band members about some simple requirements
and also the party signing the contracts.

If Ritchie didn't want a camera in his face then it should not have been there.
He obviously had issues with them being in his face IF what you say is true..and I
have no reason to doubt you.
With the idea that it is true then WTF! Isn't anybody listening or even caring about
what Ritchie had asked? 

Talk about respect...geeze where was respect for him about the only thing that seemed
to be the problem?

"Blackmore and the rest of DP were far from 'bros', especially Ian Gillan."  Now there's
the problem.
They obviously didn't respect Ritchie. To bad he didn't get the camera man too in '74.
I would imagine that camera man knew Ritchie didn't want him in his face.

I've never cared for camera's. A band I was in knew that but they thought filming a gig
would be a good thing. I stood by them. One condition, only one...let me know before
the gig. ( I didn't know who they would hire and didn't care and didn't care about details)
I showed up at a gig and there was a crew to film- all set-up. I wasn't told ahead of time. 
I played the gig. It was the last gig with them. And these were with bros ....until that gig. They understood.

That was over thirty years ago and a few years ago I was visiting the bass player...
he had the film which I've never seen ( and he a bassist that I never played with again)and he always asked when I visit if I wanted to see it. The only thing he has ever said about it is, "you never looked at the camera". I was so let down I don't think I even raised my head that night.

I'm with ya Ritchie!
 
Thought I'd add....Blackmore's Nights DVD is a fantastic viewing not to mention the music..I wonder
why he didn't smash any cameras for that. ?  I can assume they respected his requests.