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2018/10/30 18:00:43 (permalink)

Have you deleted your Facebook account yet?

Frontline is doing a two-part documentary about Facebook. It's all stuff that's already been in the news, but the show summarizes it all very nicely. They've just put Part One on YouTube:

 
Just about everyone in my orbit is addicted to it. My own band posts gigs on FB, which is how I find out when and where I'm playing next. Of course, I have to ask my daughter, because I have no Facebook account myself.
 
There has been a lot of discussion lately about whether or not AI is dangerous. I think we've seen the repercussions of AI's dark side already, in the form of Facebook's news feed. Whenever you like something, it feeds you more of the same. They call it a "filter bubble". Pretty soon you get the feeling that Position A is the way everybody feels about it, and Position B is championed only by idiots.


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Re: Have you deleted your Facebook account yet? 2018/10/30 18:16:25 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Ham N Egz 2018/10/31 14:34:05
My wife and I have never had Facebook accounts, and never will. I don't want anyone all up in my bidness.... Some people get pretty stupid about what they post on there. I can totally see it if people are promoting their band. Otherwise, it just seems like a portal to someone's personal information.
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Re: Have you deleted your Facebook account yet? 2018/10/30 18:17:56 (permalink)
I'm not convinced social media is actually good for humans and, particularly, diversity of thought.  I deleted my Facebook account years ago.  It was weird at first, felt like I was missing out, I think I was starting to get that addiction, but now I don't miss it one bit and feel 100% mentally healthier and stronger for it.  

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Re: Have you deleted your Facebook account yet? 2018/10/30 18:27:38 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2018/10/31 00:01:36
It is what it is. I don't post much, but I get a lot of info from pages that I've 'liked' - bands, artists, movies. Stuff that I would have to search for otherwise. Messenger is cool for keeping in touch with people overseas. I try and keep it simple, don't have that many 'friends' on there, and a lot of those got 'unfollowed' pretty quickly 

 
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Re: Have you deleted your Facebook account yet? 2018/10/30 18:59:55 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby eikelbijter 2018/10/30 19:48:12
I have a Facebook account strictly for promoting my music, and another one strictly for my family.  Everything else is an exercise in tin foil and sheep herding.

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Re: Have you deleted your Facebook account yet? 2018/10/30 19:09:31 (permalink)
Never had a Facebook page and never felt deprived in the least for that state of affairs.  This forum gives me enough of an online community daily fix - any more and I'd be wasting too much valuable time that would be more profitably spent doing constructive things.  I must say, however, that I'm feeling a bit smug these days about having ignored the FB phenomena from the start.
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Re: Have you deleted your Facebook account yet? 2018/10/30 20:28:50 (permalink)
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Never had a Facebook page and never felt deprived in the least for that state of affairs.  This forum gives me enough of an online community daily fix - any more and I'd be wasting too much valuable time that would be more profitably spent doing constructive things.  I must say, however, that I'm feeling a bit smug these days about having ignored the FB phenomena from the start.





 
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Re: Have you deleted your Facebook account yet? 2018/10/30 20:34:09 (permalink)
Tried it for about two weeks. Couldn't figure out what all the fuss was about and quit. Actually, I can't figure out what the fuss is about being online period. I walk at the mall in the mornings and see people even my age constantly staring at their dope-phones, all part of the zombie apocalypse. A little bit of online time goes a long way with me.
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Re: Have you deleted your Facebook account yet? 2018/10/30 20:55:24 (permalink)
I caught that Frontline show on Facebook last night ...Sure hope I see the second installment tonight ..
 
I am not a fan of anything that has too do with Facebook on any level shape or form .
The day I signed up years ago F B  went through all my e mail contacts before I knew what hit me ...
Then it took months to delete my FB acct ...for all I know it is still floating out there w out my consent .
 
I find it incredulous that in every area of my life I am accountable for every action I take and not having all the facts in my possession does not constitute a valid defense for my position on the subject or my resulting actions based on the information I had on hand when my said actions took place ..
 
Example , If I don't see the posted Speed Limit sign it will not matter to the cop that is writing me a ticket for speeding ...
Since that is the case for an individual then ,
How is it effing possible that a multi Billion dollar corporation comprised of self serving A Hole Wanna Be Hipsters  Movers and Social Shakers can even try to claim they were pure and idealistic in the creation of this monstrosity called Face Book ?
$hit flows from the top down right ? Why do they get a pass when it comes to following the law and peoples rights to have all the facts disclosed ?
How is it that they can be claiming they never saw or considered the posted signs ...and then have the stones as a company to talk their way out of a far worse situation ...and get away with it ...
 
In The End is it really all about the bucks that matter ? 
 
The very fact that people in the know are trying to pretend and conceal the plain and simple facts of what really was going on with F B is comparable to a 50 dollar a fling hooker working fleet week .When she is done w all the sailors she goes home takes a shower , brushes her teeth and then she puts on a white wedding dress while she heads off to her Chapel Wedding on a fine Sunday morning claiming to still be a virgin to her gullible husband too be .
 
No Diff In MY Book
 
There is a thing in life called Half Truths and The Real Truth ...it goes something like this ...
If I was too tell you Orange Juice is good for you ..you may agree ..many people would agree to that statement .
I offer you a glass of Orange Juice but I don't tell you that I spiked the drink with an odorless tasteless poison and that it may kill you if you drink the juice ...
As I offer you the drink you take it thinking Orange Juice is good for you ...
(like most people you will probably drink it )
 
Now what Have I Done Here ? 
The short and simple explanation is I offered up a half truth as a motivating factor in getting you to trust me and earn my approval ..
When One sells a Half Truth they must leave out the other Half ...which happens to be very important ..if not the most important thing to consider ..
THE TRUTH
Telling you Orange Juice is good for you is pretty much a truth for many people except a rare few people in life ... 
The very fact that I concealed the actions of my spiking your drink with poison indicates on a broad spectrum that I am not concerned with you health wealth or well being
I am only concerned with what is in it for me and how I will benefit...
This train of thought is prevalent all across the spectrum of human & corporate society  ...
 
This deception  has also been proven historically regarding races of people , nations and whole eras of human history through out the passage of time  ..
Don't believe me ? Go ask and American Indian about The American Western Culture & History and see if his or her History Jives with the historical half truths our schools have been selling our History student's for decades ?
If that does not convince you  look at what happened in Europe , WW2 and ( sorry folks ) Germany 
 
My point is when the truth is transparent and plain for every one to see , most people would actually be appalled at
what lengths manipulative people and groups of people bound by collective desires and greed will go to get their wants ...
If I said to you here's a glass of Orange Juice BTW I spiked it with an odorless tasteless poison ..
Here you go "Drink Up my Friend " chances are you would decline the drink and then question our friendship and my motives ...RIGHT ?
 
Well there you have it ...it has always been somewhat of a half truth when it comes to F B ...
As I step down from my high horse podium my lingering thought is Humans as a whole are very fallible ...
It is entirely possible for someone to set out to do something for all the right reasons and in the end due to unforeseen events that may materialize they may have their honest motives thwarted and become responsible for adding much more Drama And Chaos to the world  ....
 
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Re: Have you deleted your Facebook account yet? 2018/10/30 22:06:46 (permalink)
I have nothing to say about FaceBook, never had it and never intend to. As for AI, I am convinced that Netflix has pioneered a new concept: Artificial Stupidity. Their algorithm keeps deciding that I will love sports documentaries, anime, and films for ages under twelve, even though I have had an account with them for years, have answered their surveys indicating there is no one under sixty five watching Netflix in my home,  and have only ever rated those types of offerings as one star (hated it). If this level of sophistication were applied to operating the air defense system, I shudder to think what kind of naked cyborgs would pop out of nowhere  in an alley. As for the accuracy of any marketing profile they may be selling, well that might explain a lot about the kind of junk mail that I get.
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Re: Have you deleted your Facebook account yet? 2018/10/31 00:09:54 (permalink)
Turns out, you don't even need a Facebook account to get sucked into their database...



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Re: Have you deleted your Facebook account yet? 2018/10/31 00:22:41 (permalink)
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Never had a Facebook page and never felt deprived in the least for that state of affairs.  This forum gives me enough of an online community daily fix - any more and I'd be wasting too much valuable time that would be more profitably spent doing constructive things.  I must say, however, that I'm feeling a bit smug these days about having ignored the FB phenomena from the start.





 
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What he said about what he aid.
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Re: Have you deleted your Facebook account yet? 2018/10/31 02:48:10 (permalink)
Facebook is the Devil.

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Re: Have you deleted your Facebook account yet? 2018/10/31 03:45:21 (permalink)
I have have it to connect with family and friends but have never looked at the newsfeed. I know that is going to be slanted to whatever rumors may be viral at the time.
 

"Connectivity is a human right." - Zuckerberg
Just like mob mentality.

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Re: Have you deleted your Facebook account yet? 2018/10/31 08:13:36 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Ham N Egz 2018/10/31 14:35:04
"Connectivity is a human right." - Zuckerberg
 
"Zuckerberg is a twat" - Humanity

I'm off to see the Wibble, the wonderful Wibble of Wobble
 
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Re: Have you deleted your Facebook account yet? 2018/10/31 12:11:19 (permalink)
^^^
 
Part Two:



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Re: Have you deleted your Facebook account yet? 2018/10/31 12:19:18 (permalink)
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Never had a Facebook page and never felt deprived in the least for that state of affairs.  This forum gives me enough of an online community daily fix - any more and I'd be wasting too much valuable time that would be more profitably spent doing constructive things.  I must say, however, that I'm feeling a bit smug these days about having ignored the FB phenomena from the start.





 
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What he said about what he aid.


What they said

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Re: Have you deleted your Facebook account yet? 2018/10/31 13:47:18 (permalink)
I have an account linked to a gash email account. I have no "friends" there. I never post, I just go there to occasionally info on local events etc.

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Re: Have you deleted your Facebook account yet? 2018/10/31 14:33:25 (permalink)
Never had a Facebook account. You can find me on Assbook.
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Re: Have you deleted your Facebook account yet? 2018/10/31 14:34:45 (permalink)
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I'm not convinced social media is actually good for humans and, particularly, diversity of thought.  I




 
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Re: Have you deleted your Facebook account yet? 2018/10/31 14:38:33 (permalink)
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Re: Have you deleted your Facebook account yet? 2018/10/31 14:45:01 (permalink)
"Have you deleted your Facebook account yet?"
 
no,
i only have an account setup for my Bats Brew music project.
 
i would never do personal stuff on facebook,
i just think thats stupid.

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Re: Have you deleted your Facebook account yet? 2018/10/31 14:53:00 (permalink)
I use facebook mainly to catch up with family, get the latest photo's of their kids etc, as most of them live 400 miles away.
 
However, I've pretty much taken all personal details off my account and locked it down as much as possible.
 
I got a HUGE shock when I downloaded my privacy report... not so much for what it had about me, but the fact that it had the mobile numbers, email addresses + loads of personal details of just about everyone in my friends list - most of who are either acquaintances or "friends of friends". I doubt if half of them would volunteer to share that information in person.
 
Facebook messenger is even worse, as it literally sucks all that data out and sticks it in your contact list.  
 

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Re: Have you deleted your Facebook account yet? 2018/10/31 16:42:06 (permalink)
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i only have an account setup for my Bats Brew music project.
i would never do personal stuff on facebook,
i just think thats stupid.



That's perfectly reasonable. Most of my musician friends (note: actual friends, not "friends") do the same.
 
However, if you watch those videos you'll see that it's not just you that's being exploited, but also your "friends" and their "friends" and their friends' friends. 


All else is in doubt, so this is the truth I cling to. 

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Re: Have you deleted your Facebook account yet? 2018/10/31 20:09:02 (permalink)
If Face Book  and u tube is so good for my music and bands , then why is it  I will never be able to do music full time ever again ? ( unless I met a rich gal that lowered her standards in the bf department )
Those two corporations have literally sold people on the idea you need these apps to get exposure..

It's worse than the social musicians curse of pay to play .
At least with pay to play you got to do your thing on a stage playing in a band live in front of an audience
What's the diff ?
It used to be The Big Dogs made money and the Little Dogs got to play in the playground and grab the scraps ..
Now Its  All the Little Dogs think they are playing in The Big Dog playground because of the illusions and shadows of the real thing that social media presents as the way forward .
 
In reality the game changed to become an on the surface  pretentious altruistic game where every body thinks they are putting out stuff for the sake of contributing and making the world a better place ...
Now it is true some people are gifted and make the world a better place just by their very presence in this world ...if you are one of those people I hope to meet you someday and shake your hand .

As for the rest (meaning me ...)
How the eff did it turn out that I have spent thousands and thousands of dollars on every aspect of my music and creative pursuit's in Music and in the end I have become " AN ALSO RAN " ?
Yeah that's right I could have been a contender .
I worked hard enough for decades with the goal of becoming a CONTENDER ...
I put in the work , I laid out the cash for my tools , I left NY , I even  went to LA ,
Yeah , its true , I sat down and played with some Big Boys ....
Now I'm sitting here with my thumb up my a$$ trying to figure out how I went from "what's happening " to  "what the eff just happened "

You see let me put it in painful simple to understand  English , in my day if you wanted to get good at playing music you knew there was no guarantees but hey that price was acceptable for most ( myself included ) 
You paid your dues by practicing . If you had the desire and cash you took lessons when you found the right teacher . You also went to jam sessions , did open mics , sat in , guested on songwriters demos as a player and you beat a path stapling up posters of your bands upcoming gigs on telephone poles ..

The social activity of paying music  did in deed have a social pay off  as you you networked , met people , got to hang in a reliability sane networks of clubs and music venues and if you were lucky you made a few bucks playing ... 

Those day s seem to be over ....let me explain ..
I became a targeted resource and a hoped for possible future income source that any company that has a new musical thing a ma jig  wants to sell their product too ...
Not only do I have a bright neon target on my back so they can find me , they have also made me their poster boy for making the hard sell ( that is if they ever succeed ) .
Folks , This is no accident ,  they do not even respect or care anything about me whatsoever .
All they want is a little piece of my Cash ...
( damn you CC L it seems your a advanced VST D Day ( Deal Day ) landing party for the big boys )
In the eyes of the internet I became a commodity to be bought , sold and bartered with  ....
I think it is very Odd that even though I have a number of vintage amplifiers of various brands  , I also have about $1500 invested in amp sims ...
I don't even play drums yet if I took the money I have in drum VST's  I could have a few choice pieces  off a  Maple set of Ludwig Drums
 
Anyway , let me stop now before I start getting into Keyboards Synths and Plugs ....
 
I would lie to thank my peers for having put me under such pressure to spill my gut's and listening to my rants ...
A very special warm thanks goes out to F B for having brain washed every one into think you gave them a voice when in fact they already had one
An a Warm F U goes out to u tube for bombarding me with mediocre guitar players from all over the world that can't play worth a $hit yet for some odd reason you feel compelled to lump them in on my video song feeds where I may only have a few thousand listens while they have millions of listens  ....
 
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Re: Have you deleted your Facebook account yet? 2018/10/31 20:14:43 (permalink)
I just saved 31% on a magazine subscription because someone on FB gave a heads up to a Halloween deal.
 
That's all I got at the moment.

 
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Re: Have you deleted your Facebook account yet? 2018/11/01 03:14:32 (permalink)
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Frontline is doing a two-part documentary about Facebook. It's all stuff that's already been in the news, but the show summarizes it all very nicely. They've just put Part One on YouTube:

 
Just about everyone in my orbit is addicted to it. My own band posts gigs on FB, which is how I find out when and where I'm playing next. Of course, I have to ask my daughter, because I have no Facebook account myself.
 
There has been a lot of discussion lately about whether or not AI is dangerous. I think we've seen the repercussions of AI's dark side already, in the form of Facebook's news feed. Whenever you like something, it feeds you more of the same. They call it a "filter bubble". Pretty soon you get the feeling that Position A is the way everybody feels about it, and Position B is championed only by idiots.


Yeah Ive deleted it!
 
Feels so good!

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Re: Have you deleted your Facebook account yet? 2018/11/01 15:45:27 (permalink)
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Never had a Facebook page and never felt deprived in the least for that state of affairs.  This forum gives me enough of an online community daily fix - any more and I'd be wasting too much valuable time that would be more profitably spent doing constructive things.  I must say, however, that I'm feeling a bit smug these days about having ignored the FB phenomena from the start.





 
What he said.


What he said about what he aid.


What they said


What large numbers of people are talking about

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Re: Have you deleted your Facebook account yet? 2018/11/01 17:36:26 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Voda La Void 2018/11/01 19:49:56
ime, which includes working mostly with millenials thru Gen X, FB is considered kind of beat and old school for promoting music. IG, Twitter and somewhat YT have been the more go-to channels, but noting IG has recently been hit with ad bloat on the same scale as FB. Gee, guess what, Zuckerberg also owns that.
 
Zuckerberg is doing what any sociopathic geek would focus on, which is competing for domination in their market space. FB can be somewhat justified in their claim they are just a "technology" company but $**t the bed when you dig into their algorithms, which are proprietary (imagine that). The impact appears to be the ability to concentrate compatible memes which becomes an increasingly effective lever for mind share and manipulation. While FB is celebrating the effectiveness of their "technology" and "benefit" for potential advertisers ($$), the monster is out of the cage unfettered.
 
The impact is far greater than FB. The data comes from EVERYWHERE and firms such as the one mentioned (Cambridge Analytica) are in business to collect and data mine for whatever anyone will pay them for. This means any and all online data. You'd have to be an undocumented alien to be without a trace in the system, somewhere. (Perhaps the reason a Honduran immigrant caravan is claimed as a threat?)
 
Alarming as this sounds, Frontline is missing the key point. Media in general has undergone an epic disruption. The claim that more people get their "news" from FB than traditional media channels is alarming. That's like getting your news from the checkout lane at the super market.
 
fwiw, media in any form has long been the medium for mass manipulation. It has been viewed as the voice of the people when suppressed by the state or the voice of the state when controlled by the state.
 
What originated as a social media platform has become a defacto and disruptive news distribution platform. It's use/abuse is beyond the control of it's creators. Frontline exposed their inability to grasp the significance of the issue. The challenge is not HOW to regain control, but WHO controls it? Zuckerberg and his clueless geeks? The US government? The Russians?
 
I have absolutely no use for paranoid "conspiracy theories" but imagine the Russians laughing all the way to the ballot box after beating Americans over the head with a club of their own invention. The Tower of Babel in a house divided will struggle to challenge any external threats in the rest of the world.
 
And if you really want to go down a rat hole, hasn't anybody had second thoughts about the recent appearance of the ancestry (re DNA) testing services? Consider what that information could be used for, say by insurance companies?
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Zuckerberg and his minions claim to be idealistic or perhaps naive, but there is no algorithm for soul. Music has a far better track record for creating community, bringing people together and addressing issues that matter to human beings.
 

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Re: Have you deleted your Facebook account yet? 2018/11/01 18:14:56 (permalink)
By deleting my account, I say I deleted every post, every picture, membership, friends with a plugin for firefox. It took 3 days because it crasced every now and then, and i had to restart it the monthe prior to the crash so it didn't just stop. Don't remember the name of the plugin.

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