He can take it... Remix8 8/9 - GOT MY DAW BACK!!! :-D

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Re:He can take it... 2012/07/09 23:57:46 (permalink)
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Ah, one of my favourite songs, thanks for covering this Robby. Super job on it too, excellent musicianship to pull all this together single-handed. Vocals are spot-on. Love the little dobro fills, tastefully done, and just right. The only crit I have is the sound of the piano, it's played beautifully but it's not quite bedded in to the track to my ears. That is a minor crit though, this is great stuff.


Thanks James! Yeah I'm a jack of several trades :-) I just wish I could be a master of mixing! LOL! Fortunately, that which does not kill us "supposedly" makes us stronger.
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Re:He can take it... 2012/07/10 00:05:17 (permalink)
And I'm going to take a stab at one last remix on this tomorrow before I put it on a piece of ice and push it out to sea like an Escimo grandparent...
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Re:He can take it... 2012/07/10 08:13:41 (permalink)
listening again this morning..... this time to hear the drums. The main thing for me with the drums is they are not as bright and easy to hear as I would like.... a bit muffled. Maybe just a tad brighter would work. 

definitely one of the best ones you have done yet. 

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Re:He can take it... 2012/07/10 15:45:31 (permalink)
Ok, I brightened the snare w/some EQ and brought more of the upright sound in to the Piano. Probably not going to tweak it anymore.
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Re:He can take it... 2012/07/10 18:44:33 (permalink)
I'm hearing that the snare could use some snap to it. Try the transient too on the snare to give it some top end snap.
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Re:He can take it... 2012/07/10 19:06:02 (permalink)
Snare is better and more in the same ballpark as the rest of the instruments.

Change that doubled-piano sound already!
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Re:He can take it... 2012/07/10 19:52:58 (permalink)
Ok, I pushed the transiants on the Snare, and did a NY compression on it, and gave it a bit more verb it seems to "snap" a bit better? And I stopped hiding behind that dbled piano track, and just went with the upright? The Band did it with basically an upright sound but I didn't want to get too agressive with it, I was trying to just get a flavor of it? But I went ahead and muted the studio grand and the true track and boosted the upright. I guess it sounds better? I hope it does.
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Re:He can take it... 2012/07/10 21:44:23 (permalink)
nice cover.

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Re:He can take it... 2012/07/10 21:54:06 (permalink)
Thanks Reece. A cover, "with a twist?" It's a song about Jesus, I just made it officially so :-)
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Re:He can take it... 2012/07/10 21:59:38 (permalink)
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Thanks Reece. A cover, "with a twist?" It's a song about Jesus, I just made it officially so :-)


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Re:He can take it... 2012/07/10 22:01:07 (permalink)
Latest version is a keeper.

So..... On to the "next" project Robby?

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Re:He can take it... 2012/07/10 22:16:45 (permalink)
Ed, thank you so much, and "I'm all up in there..." P.S., I'm freestyling some lyrics? I'll shoot them by you, and I can also do yours as well? And we can A/B them? As I said, I have to "feel it..." So I played the music, and listened? And imagined... (actually still imagining?) In the end it will be good either way :-)

I'm happy to be free of this one. When they're out? I don't typically revisit them... I consider them to be like, well? A trip to the bathroom? Hey I dropped the kids off at the pool, what do you think? Occassionally, I'll work to "polish them..." I need to bounce .... off of people like you and James and others more before I spash them in to the pool I guess.
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Re:He can take it... 2012/07/11 00:51:39 (permalink)
I like this song. Nice job!

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Re:He can take it... 2012/07/11 04:34:52 (permalink)
Hey, Robby,
 
Really nice job on this great cover of an all time classic!
 
I missed the first few mixes, but this version sounds fantastic to my ears.  The vocals are super as always, and I love the dobro and the organ in particular.  The mix sounds very spacious considering the amount of elements floating in and out throughout the song.
 
Very nice work, bud!
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Re:He can take it... 2012/07/11 22:30:53 (permalink)
Ok, let's face it? When it comes to the mixing, I kind of suck at it, I understand this, and admit it. But I'm trying to get better? I had some comments from another forum that the drums were burried? And I know some people were complaining about the snare here. So, I put some more lipstick on that pig? The snare now I think is where it needs to be... Also, the drums "overall" came up a bit.

Then I got to listening and said, "I can't hear the mandolin..." You still can't really hear it? But it's in the mix a bit better. Then the vox and the EQ, then I was looking at the .wav? and playing with the limitter on the mains, and on the drums, pushed the kick, changed the mband EQ on the mains, changed envelopes, basically "everything" changed, some subtly, some dramatically. I think it's better. I wouldn't blame people for either not listening to "remix 8?" or not noticing the difference?
 
I understand. But I'm really trying to be less of a dufface when it comes to the darn mix. I don't think I've had a mix 8 on any song before? And I'm hoping there's no "number 9" (as the Beatles would say...)

Submitted for your approval, hopefully I'm learning to do this stuff better?
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Re:He can take it... 2012/07/11 22:37:24 (permalink)
I've been following along. This mix8 sounds best. I think I'm getting used to the snare:)

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Re:He can take it... 2012/07/11 22:48:09 (permalink)
Really Robby, it's done.
(now get on with that other tune all ready?)
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Re:He can take it... 2012/07/11 23:05:29 (permalink)
Well if I can get kudo's from one of my mix heros? (Timaaaaay!) Then I'm sportin wood!

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LOL! And Ed? The darn snare has "SNAP" now! It's still not what folks want, but it's like way better? And it all started with you bitc... err, um, "commenting?" on it? :-)

The whole mixing thing is a black art... I'm convinced that the people who are like really good at it? Have all sold their souls. It's the only explaination that works.
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Re:He can take it... Remix1 7/7 2012/07/12 19:18:12 (permalink)
Janet


Never heard it, but that's no surprise. Nice to know you can still sing. :) Sounds wonderful in all ways. Except for that piano sound. :( I know Ivory can sound much better than that. Unless you wanted it to sound that way, of course. You're playing the drums for real? Good for you. It's about time. :)


Thanks Janet, but I play my drums w/2 fingers, not w/2 sticks. Glad you liked it. My DAW is down for the count... Took a lightening strike through the DSL/Ethernet port last night and fried the mother board... They're trying to get a new one for it, remains to be seen if they'll get all the SW back up (fingers crossed...) Then I'll be saving pennies to get a new DAW/Windoze 7/X1/64 bit and start the long migration to it I guess.
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Re:He can take it... Remix1 7/7 2012/07/12 20:27:41 (permalink)
You could learn to play the drums...I know you could.  And I think I saw a nice set sitting already anyway?  And you've got time now! :)

But your DAW got fried? :( That's too bad.  That's more than too bad.  My condolences.  
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Re:He can take it... Remix8 7/11 2012/07/13 19:44:02 (permalink)
Whoa Robby --- you nailed it.  Excellent work and stellar vocals.  You managed to get that bit of grit in the vocals that this song needs.
Sweet chicken right down to the bone!!!!!
 
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Re:He can take it... Remix8 7/11 2012/07/14 19:19:24 (permalink)
Hi Robby,

Sorry to hear about the DAW...that totally sux!

I've always liked this song ( and the Band in general ) and I'm sure your version is outstanding but, for some reason, I can't get anything on your Reverb Nation page to play 


I'll try again later.


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Re:He can take it... Remix8 7/11 2012/07/14 21:15:16 (permalink)
I wrote them a love note ;-) It's working now.
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Re:He can take it... Remix8 7/11 2012/07/15 15:47:14 (permalink)
Hate to hear about the lightning sneaking in on the DSL port. Dang.... 

When you have a mix with lots of things in it like this one does, it is imperative that you use envelopes to bring things in and out in their proper place and time.  I will often spend quite a bot of time planning out what instrument I will have doing fills in a given verse or chorus. That is subject to changes as I mix.

Plan out exactly what is going to play and where.  Try to avoid having 2 competing things playing in the same place at the same time..... it's distracting to the listener. I understand the desire to have everything shining..... but resist that impulse. For example if you have a really nice piano part playing in the background and want a mandolin to fill, when the mandolin part comes in drop the piano out....even though it's the background.  Neither you nor the listener will miss the piano for those brief few seconds since the mando will command center stage.... then after the fill, bring the piano back..... This is something I do all the time in my mixing to keep the sound from being too cluttered. 

My envelopes are usually pretty drastic things. They stay a zero unless they are planned to be there for a fill or a part. Here is a pic of what I mean>>> 




The piano is doing fills and I pull the piano down completely when it's not playing a fill. This opens the soundscape up to allow the other back ground instruments to be heard and gives dynamics and space to the sound. The back ground is being handled by acoustic guitars on some other tracks. And while the piano parts are all together really nice..... I only let the piano play fills...... restraint on my part but the song is clean sounding and open as a result.

I'm not saying this is the issue in your song..... just a reminder to leave room for the various instruments in the mix. This commentary was triggered from a comment you made above about not being able to hear the mandolin. Instead of simply turning it up so it can be heard,,,,,,, which adds to the musical confusion in the mix, try enveloping other things down instead. This is how I mix. 

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Re:He can take it... Remix8 7/11 2012/07/15 18:23:47 (permalink)
When accenting the fills I just automate the compressor on the individual instrument tracks to compress a little less to accommodate the fill...still there but not as prominent and allow the element to shine through.
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Re:He can take it... Remix8 7/11 2012/07/15 18:38:01 (permalink)
Yeah, I'm really hoping to get the DAW back this week... If I do, I really need to dive in to a colab I've been working on, and I "may" bounce a little brighter snare track and try to blend it, and I could look maybe at some compressor settings or envelopes as well. I tend to make fairly extensive use of both (envelopes and compressors) but I don't know how to use the compressors as well as I should, which ones, and how hard. It's a process... I am just hoping I don't need a spanking new DAW, Win7, X1 and reinstall/repurchachase all of my SW. That will have me down till mid Fall.
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Re:He can take it... Remix8 7/11 2012/07/15 20:06:43 (permalink)
Nice tip, James.
jamesyoyo


When accenting the fills I just automate the compressor on the individual instrument tracks to compress a little less to accommodate the fill...still there but not as prominent and allow the element to shine through.



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Re:He can take it... Remix8 7/11 2012/07/28 14:25:09 (permalink)
excellent cover of one of my favs... Great work Robby...  I like the added lyrics too... dobro is a very nice touch... Piano could use more sustain pedal, and less chorus... Vocals are tops as always... Well done...
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Re:He can take it... Remix8 7/11 2012/07/29 00:11:15 (permalink)
I thought this was great! Really like the vocals. I'm jealous. Wish I had a nice soulful voice like that. You should keep that in mind on future songs, just sing and forget about the polishing. As far as the mix, I ended up not really analyzing anything but just enjoyed the song. Isn't that a sign of a good mix? Like nothing really stood out as odd. As reference, I listed with Bose quiet comfort 15 headphones on iPod. 

Only Make Believe also had nice sounding vocals. 
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Re:He can take it... Remix8 7/11 2012/08/01 23:51:46 (permalink)
I really appreciate everyone's input on this one. I'm a little ticked because I've been DAWless for over 6 weeks now... I lost my system, recovered it, and now I'm fighting issues getting my soundcard (Firewire) to be seen/recognized. I'm really hoping to be back on-line w/in the next few daze. Or else I'm going postal. That's right, to the post office, to write a letter to someone to complain. Then I guess I need to upgrade to a new system... Drink the X1 coolaid.

But I just got back from karate camp with the boy? (Panama City Beach) and that was basically a new DAW... (but worth it) So I'll be saving my pennies I guess. I can't really go much longer without being able to do anything in the studio though. It sucks "hard..." And not in a way that I enjoy either.
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