Headphone mixes...Hows your routing/template looking for X1 ?

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2011/05/01 20:57:33 (permalink)

Headphone mixes...Hows your routing/template looking for X1 ?

I'm having a hard time with setting up a decent headphone mix and it;s making some recordings come out sub-par since the artist isnt hearing it correct to give them confidence..


Anyone hear care to make me a quick template of something basic to give me an idea to go on ?
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    Re:Heaphone mixes...Hows your routing/template looking for X1 ? 2011/05/01 22:52:43 (permalink)
    I don't have a template, but can you describe the mix prob in more detail? The solution might be a simple fader move away.

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    Re:Heaphone mixes...Hows your routing/template looking for X1 ? 2011/05/01 23:29:12 (permalink)
    I'm having the typical "turn me up in the headphones" problem from the artists.

    I've tried messing with the direct monitoring on my Firewire 610, but seems like the headphones amp(s) just don't have enough output power. When I turn down Sonars out put and raise the direct headphone signal mix, The 610 is to week to bring up the signal in the headphones.

    The input monitoring in Sonar works great for about 4 or 5 tracks into the songs, the there's a latency delay. I've tried lowering the ASIO buffering ect.... no go.

    I'm planing to go pick up a Headphone amp tomorrow and solve all this..
       
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    Re:Heaphone mixes...Hows your routing/template looking for X1 ? 2011/05/02 00:17:23 (permalink)
    Headphone amps are good. And yeah the latency can be a total drag. For big projects I'll bounce down a reference mix and archive everything to get some horsepower back.

    But sheesh, I can't imagine needing a headphone mix so loud the interface can't drive it. 

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    Re:Heaphone mixes...Hows your routing/template looking for X1 ? 2011/05/02 07:51:38 (permalink)
    I had exactly the same problem and bought a great headphone amp (Whirlwind HATT) - problem solved - the mixes sound great.
    Another word of advice - turn off non essential effects for the vocal take - it will cut down on your latency problems and allow you to use some real time effects for the vocalist.
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    Re:Heaphone mixes...Hows your routing/template looking for X1 ? 2011/05/02 15:37:37 (permalink)
    My approach is to export headphone vocal mix to a single WAV and delete all those tracks that can generate delay.

    This way I start with a complex template in Sonar Producer (which I occasionally revise) with many synths and studio modeling at some busses (I will use it after vocal sessions for mixing), but for vocal purpose I first make comfortable mix, export it for a wav file, import it back to Sonar, save project as a vocal sub-project file, delete all synths in it and record vocal using Cakewalk Music Creator on a Pentium 3 PC with 500 MB memory (this PC located in other room, so, I have no noise room for singing). I still have midi tracks, and melody line shows up in staff view to follow while singing, but midi tracks have no output in this vocal file, as synths are deleted and the only playing track is vocal mix wav.

    You can have an idea of my vocal mixes with my draft recodring of my first album, all 34 tracks are on Beatles melodies with my original Russian lyrics. A week ago I made a kind of Birthday Gift to my brothers with "field concert", and used my second rehearsal export for a soundtrack. The video is 1h 44min, but there is a transcript, so, you can jump between the songs, Beatles titles are labelled in English, so, you will have an idea of what I prefer for vocal mixes: usually it is a piano, but there could be some substitues, when piano does not provide a clear pitch to follow. Note: I don't work on this hobby project song-by-song, it's one project, so, this second vocal rehearsal is a result of a second vocal session for all songs (of ~6 hours long).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVXFIM_6ys8

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2vBxv3HBzo
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