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Hello Bandlab-NO custom install options. Is this True?

So we are suppose to put 200GB of samples on our C Drive? I have Cakewalk Content folder, also huge, installed on a separate drive with sample. I have Audio installed on a 3rd hard drive. So is this not possible now?
 
If there is no custom install I cannot use it. I hung on because I thought we would be getting what we already have. I understand about the 3rd party stuff, don't really care about that. 
But Custom install is a MUST.

 
 
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Re: Hello Bandlab-NO custom install options. Is this True? 2018/04/04 15:36:45 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby stratman70 2018/04/04 16:01:25
Could you, prior to installation, create an NTFS directory junction that redirects "C:\Program Files\Cakewalk" to somewhere on another disk?
 
i.e. as an administrator:
mklink /J "C:\Program Files\Cakewalk" D:\Cakewalk

 
Then run the installation? Not everything deals well with junctions though...
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Re: Hello Bandlab-NO custom install options. Is this True? 2018/04/04 15:38:42 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby stratman70 2018/04/04 16:01:16
It is possible to create directory junctions in advance of the install and the installer will use them.
 
For example, if "Cakewalk Content" is currently installed at "D:\Cakewalk Content" open up a command shell as administrator and type:
mklink /j "C:\Cakewalk Content" "D:\Cakewalk Content"
 
If you entered the command properly there should be an entry on the C: drive that looks like a shortcut and should open to the Cakewalk Content on D:
 
Now running the new BandLab Cakewalk installer will write Cakewalk Content to D:.
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Re: Hello Bandlab-NO custom install options. Is this True? 2018/04/04 15:42:28 (permalink)
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It is possible to create directory junctions in advance of the install and the installer will use them.
 
For example, if "Cakewalk Content" is currently installed at "D:\Cakewalk Content" open up a command shell as administrator and type:
mklink /j "C:\Cakewalk Content" "D:\Cakewalk Content"
 
If you entered the command properly there should be an entry on the C: drive that looks like a shortcut and should open to the Cakewalk Content on D:
 
Now running the new BandLab Cakewalk installer will write Cakewalk Content to D:.




Do you know if this has been tested with Cakewalk? I've seen apps that don't like junctions or don't see them as directories
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Re: Hello Bandlab-NO custom install options. Is this True? 2018/04/04 15:42:59 (permalink)
BTW, the basic install is similar to running the Platinum installer only. None of the sample based synths are in the basic installer. Even the additional content is only the Artist instrument. No need to reinstall that package if you already have a full Platinum install.
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Re: Hello Bandlab-NO custom install options. Is this True? 2018/04/04 15:45:16 (permalink)
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Do you know if this has been tested with Cakewalk? I've seen apps that don't like junctions or don't see them as directories

It has worked with every version of SONAR since directory junctions have been around. I have not tested with BandLab Cakewalk but have no reason to suspect it is any different.
 
I have never messed with the program location but do recall previous discussions about directory junctions where relocating the Cakewalk program folder also worked.
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Re: Hello Bandlab-NO custom install options. Is this True? 2018/04/04 15:45:19 (permalink)
OK, So is there a Folders tab in preferences? Or do I need to do this with project files also?
 
Furthermore, this will only work I guess if I uninstall my Plat install because this would be duplicating folders with the same name. Hope that makes sense.
 
I just never imagines I would have to uninstall my Sonar plat. 

 
 
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Re: Hello Bandlab-NO custom install options. Is this True? 2018/04/04 15:46:31 (permalink)
Does changing the register entry for the folder work like it did n the old days, say with Dimension pro and others?
 

 
 
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Re: Hello Bandlab-NO custom install options. Is this True? 2018/04/04 15:47:29 (permalink)
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BTW, the basic install is similar to running the Platinum installer only. None of the sample based synths are in the basic installer. Even the additional content is only the Artist instrument. No need to reinstall that package if you already have a full Platinum install.


What if I own Platinum but don't have it installed? :) can I get my Dimension Pro back without installing Platinum?
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Re: Hello Bandlab-NO custom install options. Is this True? 2018/04/04 15:50:02 (permalink)
There is no Dimension Pro in BandLab Cakewalk. Running the BandLab Cakewalk installer is like running the SONAR Platinum installer only no plug-in or synth installers.
 
No need to edit the registry to move sample libraries, directory junctions work for them too. But again, there are no sample libraries in BandLab Cakewalk, just Cakewalk Content and if you choose the old SONAR Artist Instrument package.
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Re: Hello Bandlab-NO custom install options. Is this True? 2018/04/04 15:51:59 (permalink)
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BTW, the basic install is similar to running the Platinum installer only. None of the sample based synths are in the basic installer. Even the additional content is only the Artist instrument. No need to reinstall that package if you already have a full Platinum install.


What if I own Platinum but don't have it installed? :) can I get my Dimension Pro back without installing Platinum?


It would be better not to confuse the OP and keep this thread about direction junctions but if you want DP run the DP installer that came bundled with an old version of SONAR.


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Re: Hello Bandlab-NO custom install options. Is this True? 2018/04/04 15:54:25 (permalink)
I have read that mlink junction will not work if the folder already exists in the directory you point to?
My Cakewalk Content folder is over 12GB's.
 
Also am I correct in assuming I only need quotes for target if it contains spaces?
 
Thanks

 
 
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Re: Hello Bandlab-NO custom install options. Is this True? 2018/04/04 15:55:23 (permalink)
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OK, So is there a Folders tab in preferences? Or do I need to do this with project files also?
 
Furthermore, this will only work I guess if I uninstall my Plat install because this would be duplicating folders with the same name. Hope that makes sense.
 
I just never imagines I would have to uninstall my Sonar plat. 


Keep Platinum installed, it has all the plug-ins. There is a preference page just like SONAR for folder locations.
BandLab Cakewalk installs in a separate Cakewalk Core folder next to Platinum.
 
After installing BandLab Cakewalk make sure to review the folder locations in Preferences.
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Re: Hello Bandlab-NO custom install options. Is this True? 2018/04/04 15:58:54 (permalink)
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I have read that mlink junction will not work if the folder already exists in the directory you point to?
My Cakewalk Content folder is over 12GB's.
 
Also am I correct in assuming I only need quotes for target if it contains spaces?
 
Thanks




You can create a junction to a folder that already exists:
 
C:\Users\me>mklink /j testing C:\windows
Junction created for testing <<===>> C:\windows

C:\Users\me>cd testing

C:\Users\me\testing>
 Quotes are needed for paths with spaces, yes
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Re: Hello Bandlab-NO custom install options. Is this True? 2018/04/04 16:00:25 (permalink)
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I have read that mlink junction will not work if the folder already exists in the directory you point to?
My Cakewalk Content folder is over 12GB's.
 
Also am I correct in assuming I only need quotes for target if it contains spaces?
 
Thanks


In the example above, "C:\Cakewalk Content" must not exist but "D:\Cakewalk Content" must exist. Yes, quotes are used when spaces are in the path like the one between Cakewalk and Content but it does not hurt to have them if the path has no spaces.
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Re: Hello Bandlab-NO custom install options. Is this True? 2018/04/04 16:01:00 (permalink)
I am concerned about my samples on E:\ drive and Cakewalk Content on E:\ drive. My E drive is named Samples but it also has the Content folder on it.

 
 
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Re: Hello Bandlab-NO custom install options. Is this True? 2018/04/04 16:02:30 (permalink)
What is your concern?
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Re: Hello Bandlab-NO custom install options. Is this True? 2018/04/04 16:17:24 (permalink)
Well. So the new install will just write all cakewalk content to my existing CC folder? I mean using the mlink junction.
 
I guess it will over write anything that exists or will it ask me first? what do I say? 
Also, so I don't have to worry about my samples because this installer has none? Correct?
 
Thanks so much Scook. Andy was helpful also.

 
 
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Re: Hello Bandlab-NO custom install options. Is this True? 2018/04/04 16:24:40 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby RajahP 2018/04/04 17:56:49
When you install the new Cakewalk, you have the option of installing just the application or app + content. If you already have SONAR Platinum installed, there is no need to install the content. 
 
My C: drive is only 256 GB in size, so the bulk of my audio resides elsewhere.
 
I have all my CW instruments (AD, Studio Instruments, Dimension Pro, Rapture, Session Drummer, etc.) on my E: drive, which is also where all my other samples live (e.g. Kontakt, Superior Drummer, Omnisphere). I had previously set up junctions on the C: drive so that, from SONAR's perspective, these appeared to still be in their default locations. That saved having to reconfigure individual instruments. Those links are still working fine under the new program.
 
After installing New Cakewalk, all I had to do was go into preferences and correct a couple things: added some folders to the VST scan paths, and changed my Projects and Wave Files destinations (on my system, they are d:\projects and d:\exports respectively). After those minor adjustments, I was able to open and edit existing projects in either application and even bounce back and forth between them. You can even have both open at the same time, which is handy for comparing settings.
 
The new cakewalk.exe is, at this time, merely a recompile of sonarplt.exe with some enhancements. For now you can think of Cakewalk by BandLab as the next version of SONAR.


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Re: Hello Bandlab-NO custom install options. Is this True? 2018/04/04 16:28:38 (permalink)
Yes, if the junction is there, the new stuff will be added to where the junction points.
 
BandLab Cakewalk installs like an old SONAR upgrade (think SONAR 8.5 to the X-Series not SONAR 2017.01 to 2017.02). It updates the "Shared Folders" plug-in manager, vstscanner, etc. It creates new folders for the program, user directory and content called "Cakewalk Core" beside SONAR Platinum.
 
Not going to overwrite samples.
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Re: Hello Bandlab-NO custom install options. Is this True? 2018/04/04 16:53:30 (permalink)
Thanks Bitflipper. That helps a lot. My setup is very much like yours.
 
 

 
 
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Re: Hello Bandlab-NO custom install options. Is this True? 2018/04/04 16:55:49 (permalink)
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Yes, if the junction is there, the new stuff will be added to where the junction points.
 
BandLab Cakewalk installs like an old SONAR upgrade (think SONAR 8.5 to the X-Series not SONAR 2017.01 to 2017.02). It updates the "Shared Folders" plug-in manager, vstscanner, etc. It creates new folders for the program, user directory and content called "Cakewalk Core" beside SONAR Platinum.
 
Not going to overwrite samples.


Thanks as always Scook. The only mlink j I need is Cakewalk Content so thats great!
 
Man I sure hope there will be a forum like this one....Just a wealth of information and help.
 
Thanks guys............

 
 
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Re: Hello Bandlab-NO custom install options. Is this True? 2018/04/04 17:03:08 (permalink)
Stupid question. So does it matter that my E:\ drive has a name, for Mlink I mean. It's named Sample Disk. Clever, I know.
 
So is it:
mklink /j "C:\Cakewalk Content" "E:\Cakewalk Content"
or
mklink /j "C:\Cakewalk Content" "E:\Sample Disk\Cakewalk Content"

 



 
 
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Re: Hello Bandlab-NO custom install options. Is this True? 2018/04/04 17:08:28 (permalink)
The command uses drive letters and folder names (IOW fully qualified paths). It does not use Disk volume names.
 
So if on the E drive the there is a folder in the root called "Cakewalk Content" use the first command.
If there is a folder in the root of E called "Sample Disk" and "Cakewalk Content" is a folder under "Sample Disk" use the second command.
 
 
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Re: Hello Bandlab-NO custom install options. Is this True? 2018/04/04 17:17:30 (permalink)
Thanks Scook...it is the first one.Doing it now......

 
 
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Re: Hello Bandlab-NO custom install options. Is this True? 2018/04/04 17:26:37 (permalink)
 
When first launching CakewalkBB and choosing custom settings from Sonar Plat I get this:
Sorry to sound like a moron here.....I have not used X3 since the year of the flood
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Cakewalk
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All audio data files have been kept in C:\Users\Frankl\AppData\Roaming\Cakewalk\SONAR X3 Producer\Audio Data, with your previous Cakewalk sequencer.  To prevent data loss please DO NOT manually DELETE this directory.
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OK  
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Re: Hello Bandlab-NO custom install options. Is this True? 2018/04/04 17:44:09 (permalink)
It picked up the path from your Global Audio Folder setting Preference > File > Audio Data
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Re: Hello Bandlab-NO custom install options. Is this True? 2018/04/04 18:38:35 (permalink)
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The new cakewalk.exe is, at this time, merely a recompile of sonarplt.exe with some enhancements. For now you can think of Cakewalk by BandLab as the next version of SONAR.




Aren't all software updates we do a recompile with some enhancements? :-P
Yes CbB is indeed the next generation of SONAR Platinum. As Meng mentioned there are even two brand new features that weren't in the last version of Platinum.
There are a ton of changes behind the scenes to make it an independent product (something which we haven't done since 2013) which allows it to coexist and even run side by side with SONAR Platinum. Like the transition from X3 to Platinum.
 

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Re: Hello Bandlab-NO custom install options. Is this True? 2018/04/04 20:48:05 (permalink)
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Aren't all software updates we do a recompile with some enhancements? :-P
Yes CbB is indeed the next generation of SONAR Platinum. As Meng mentioned there are even two brand new features that weren't in the last version of Platinum.
There are a ton of changes behind the scenes to make it an independent product (something which we haven't done since 2013) which allows it to coexist and even run side by side with SONAR Platinum. Like the transition from X3 to Platinum.
 


Does this mean it is a NEW product? If not, should we expect a jump such as SONAR 8 to SONAR X1 or SONAR X3 to SONAR in the near future?
 
 
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Re: Hello Bandlab-NO custom install options. Is this True? 2018/04/04 20:59:51 (permalink)
It installs like a new product with separate program, programdata, content and user folders.
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