Hello Old Friends! It's Pete Leoni

Hi everyone! How can I change my username to my real name?

Thank You, But I earned  the right to ask a few stupid questions a long time ago when a guy named Jose Catina and I figured out how to *quadruple* the track count in Pro Audio 6 with a simple text edit way back in the day! (-:

Hi man! Yeah it's really me. I've been thinking that Sonar is about to get on top again, lots of good ideas in the wind! Thanks for the good words.

Pete

Hey Pete! Welcome back! :-) Where have you been?
 
Me, let's see ... I got married, bought a house, had twins, built my dream studio, formed a band, all in that order ... Not enough time to use the studio these days though due to the crazy demands of my day job. <pout>
 
 

Hi Pete... I doubt you remember me but I surely remember you :-)

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The guy who was responsible for me walking into the house a little before noon on a Saturday with a box of computer parts.

Yep, been broke ever since.

Wow! I'm honored that you all remember! Katrina caused me to get way off track led to a divorce, blah blah blah, but I'm going to start contributing again.  And yes, I remember you all.

Hey Scott, good to hear from you again, (and everyone) Things have progressed nicely since the Celeron 300 @ 450 huh?  So much power, and yet people still use hardware DSP cards etc.Man, there are some fantastic native plugs! I'm thinking those (hardware dsp) days are very, very numbered. If I were going to give my friends here any tips I'd say "sell em now" !

pete

Hey, Pete...long time no see.  Count me among the ones who loved your RYO articles and built a 300a@450 system on your advice.  Pretty sure I bought the chip from ADK as well.

Pete.... I don't think I've had the honor..... been here 2 years.... my memory is much shorter than that so.... theoretically..... we could have met... I just don't recall.....

anyway.... mucho gusto...!

jcschild


Hey Pete,
i have to disagree. you buy a UAD for the sounds not for off loading DSP from the CPU anymore. its pretty hard to replace UADs with all native and would be even more money if you could.
there are finally some nice native plugs but no where near enough!
 but yes native effects have come along way


Well, I've made a habit of bucking the trends, so that is no suprise. But here is my assessment: DSP devices are a pain in the butt anyway you slice it. At this point they are nothing more than glorified dongles,  largely contributing to the overall complexity of a system that is best left a streamlined and simple as possible. If I were the in the DSP card business I would be inclined to put as mch money as I could in promotion of the notion that my plugins were somehow superior to all others. I would try to make this Dogma. I would send out a league of minions to keep the idea alive. I remember seeing this when I first started with Cakewalk, and knew instinctively that magnetic tape in any form whether analog or digital was a dead media.  Needless to say I received much grief. Many people having an enormous investment, refured to believe that their investment, much like a bad marriage should be done away with. Well we all saw what happened, and we saw it happen quick. Hardware is over. Other than mics, preamps, converters, controllers and speakers. Hardware is over. It is dead. The funeral has started.

Compressors. IK, URS,Waves and Sonalksis.
EQs Sonalksis and a host of contenders.
Reverbs? Perfected in a myriad of apps.

DSP cards are a PITA and sometimes a nightmare, limiting your choices of the only real useful hardware, and that is the hardware inside your DAW.

I know we have a lot invested, I know it might hurt the kids, but this divorce is going to happen anyway and soon.
Sell them now.

How's that for getting my feet back in the water?

Pete

I would agree up to the quads, but for all practical purposes the i7 and beyond changes the landscape. The IK and Waves stuff might even be a bit nicer IMO.

I'm thinking the equation has more to do with diminishing returns than anything else.  You never know when one of those UAD "anomalies" will pop up. It certainly makes a mobo/cpu upgrade "interesting"

The less hardware issues, the better. And, yep it's totally time to take those plugs native. I had a chance to play with the Waves versions, they are eye opening to say the least. If I were Uni, I think I'd already be thinking of an acceptable way to protect the native versions that they are going to have produce. Another isse is <6ms RTL is going to become more and more of an issue as we move away from analog monitoring.

So standing any distance from your monitor speakers is unacceptable?  

I think it depends...if something is adding 128 buffers but I can run internally at 64 or 128 buffers, does it really matter?

I do agree 100% with you regarding additive latency but that is really only necessary for tracking or live and I believe the current technology has pushed the latency to the "imperceptible" level.  I can run GR4 at 64 buffers(1.4 ms) all day long through my Lynx L22 on my i920 system.  I do hope that the limits keep getting pushed lower but I certainly don't feel limited by UAD's latency...mainly because I don't track with the plugs.  I also recognize that some plugs need buffers to work well(LP plugins come to mind).  That's a fair tradeoff IMO.  The one thing I will take issue with is our expecting near-real time performance overall with the current wintel lineup...the OS on which everything runs is not a real time OS so that limitation will be in effect until we change OS's.  I understand the difference because I have worked with true real time computer systems with guaranteed levels of performance.  Trust me...it is very expensive and very limited in functionality...but it works...every time in the time allotted.  But I still support your campaign for lower latency and no hidden buffers...and I'll still use my UAD stuff because it simply works and sounds awesome to my ears.  How's that for dualism?