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Re: Help! Can't Get Maschine To Work Properly As A VST Inside Cakewalk (CxB) 2018/06/25 23:37:24 (permalink)
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Re: Help! Can't Get Maschine To Work Properly As A VST Inside Cakewalk (CxB) 2018/06/26 19:58:29 (permalink)
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Got this issue too. Just bought a used Maschine MK2 unit, works fine in standalone mode and inside Reaper, but I experience the same display bug in Sonar. Now, peculiar thing is that my installed Sonar version is the latest PRE-Bandlab version (I never bothered to update yet because you know, deadlines to meet, consistency, etc), so it means this bug was introduced before Cakewalk became Bandlab.
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Re: Help! Can't Get Maschine To Work Properly As A VST Inside Cakewalk (CxB) 2018/06/26 21:09:25 (permalink)
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Re: Help! Can't Get Maschine To Work Properly As A VST Inside Cakewalk (CxB) 2018/06/26 23:32:33 (permalink)
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This from the NI forums
 
"We have received a few reports of this - it appears that something has changed in Sonar that causes the issues that you describe. We are investigating this."


 
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Re: Help! Can't Get Maschine To Work Properly As A VST Inside Cakewalk (CxB) 2018/06/27 11:34:41 (permalink)
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So I’ve had NI support once again email me back about this issue. Each email is very basic and recently asked me to send back the NI report tool which collects system info in a zip file. They have received this and their reply was not comforting. Basically it’s been looked as a bug and thats it. . I have had a similar email regarding a different issue with NI and that was 8 months ago and still not resolved so I fear the same with this one.

Here is a copy of the latest email reply from NI regarding hardware not working with Komplete VST within Sonar/platinum or Cbb.


“We have documented this bug (KBDSW-5802) in our bug tracking system. Hopefully, your information will be taken into account in the upcoming bug fixes. Unfortunately, for now, this is all we can do. Therefore, we would assume to close this email thread.”
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i'm not affected by this, don't own the hardware, i just commented in the thread, but i did see some others confirming the issue

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Re: Help! Can't Get Maschine To Work Properly As A VST Inside Cakewalk (CxB) 2018/06/27 16:28:01 (permalink)
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It's either NI or Windows. At least, that's what I'm thinking. Mind you, I have no real understanding of how all of this works. So, take my speculation with a grain of salt.

But, if it were a Bandlab issue, then Sonar Platinum should still work with Maschine, right?

Sucks that NI aren't treating this with any real urgency. They've all but acknowledged the issue resides within THEIR products.

Time to start divesting my setup of NI products. This is redicullous. I was going to buy their keyboard controller towards Christmas. I liked what I was seeing with the whole NKS thing. But, not now. I'd rather have a "dumb" controller that won't let me down in a pinch. Or, if it does, it's not going to cost me an arm and a leg to replace.

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Re: Help! Can't Get Maschine To Work Properly As A VST Inside Cakewalk (CxB) 2018/06/27 16:52:25 (permalink)
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It's either NI or Windows. At least, that's what I'm thinking. Mind you, I have no real understanding of how all of this

That is NI by definition: there is NI hardware and NI software which communicate with each other using proprietary (for NI), absolutely undocumented technologies. They do not tell how they do this even to DAW developers.
And exactly this communication is broken. So no one except NI (!), not only for technical but also for legal reasons can investigate what in Sonar/CbB/Windows/etc. prevent NI to work properly.
 
Cakewalk can investigate the question only from the perspective which change in libraries has happened between the version which works and the very first version which does not. Experienced users can partially do that as well: compare the list of DLL dependencies for these 2 versions of Sonar. Only partially since there could be some other changes. All that is almost random shooting into air, NI has debug version of own VST which can immediately display what the problem is once they install CbB (which is free to download). Companies which care about users solve such problems within an hour, or at least tell they know what the problem is (in case for administrative reason it takes 1-2 days to fix).  

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Re: Help! Can't Get Maschine To Work Properly As A VST Inside Cakewalk (CxB) 2018/06/27 16:56:26 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby godino 2018/06/27 17:38:02
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BTW when NKS was introduced as a proprietary "Standard", as with ProChannel, my first thought was: that is a 0x DEAD BEAF thing

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Re: Help! Can't Get Maschine To Work Properly As A VST Inside Cakewalk (CxB) 2018/06/27 17:40:04 (permalink)
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Re: Help! Can't Get Maschine To Work Properly As A VST Inside Cakewalk (CxB) 2018/06/28 16:54:01 (permalink)
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Re: Help! Can't Get Maschine To Work Properly As A VST Inside Cakewalk (CxB) 2018/06/29 18:17:16 (permalink)
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No fix in the new upgrade...

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Re: Help! Can't Get Maschine To Work Properly As A VST Inside Cakewalk (CxB) 2018/06/29 19:33:56 (permalink)
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Heard from Bandlab. Basically, they're working on it. They said hopefully it will be fixed soon but did not give any definitive timeline.

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Re: Help! Can't Get Maschine To Work Properly As A VST Inside Cakewalk (CxB) 2018/06/29 21:55:54 (permalink)
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Just in from NI.
 
Las @ NI (Native Instruments)
Jun 29, 23:13 CEST
Hi Michael,

Thank you for your support tool results. I will reach out as soon as we can provide you with a permanent solution.

In the meantime, the only workaround I can provide you would be to downgrade to a previous version.

Thank you for your patience.
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Re: Help! Can't Get Maschine To Work Properly As A VST Inside Cakewalk (CxB) 2018/06/30 09:24:21 (permalink)
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In the meantime, the only workaround I can provide you would be to downgrade to a previous version.




As mentioned in a previous post -  the latest version of sonar I have found to work with Maschine was the Newburyport release which came out a couple of years ago

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Re: Help! Can't Get Maschine To Work Properly As A VST Inside Cakewalk (CxB) 2018/06/30 10:32:43 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Jarsve 2018/06/30 10:52:43
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In the meantime, the only workaround I can provide you would be to downgrade to a previous version.




As mentioned in a previous post -  the latest version of sonar I have found to work with Maschine was the Newburyport release which came out a couple of years ago


and this is all the devs should need to know - they can compare the codebase of newburyport with later versions to find the difference causing the issue... that it hasn't been fixed yet implies it's not entirely straight forward or has knock-on effects on other bits of the app or isn't getting priority in the sprint planning
i'm sure it'll get sorted at some point though
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Re: Help! Can't Get Maschine To Work Properly As A VST Inside Cakewalk (CxB) 2018/06/30 21:43:19 (permalink)
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MS Visual Studio used for building:
Newburyport (aka 21.13.0.32 ) - MSVCx120 / VS 2013
---- (next version) ---
2016.03 (aka 22.3.0.71)
and  CbB 2018.4 (aka 24.04.1) - MSVCx140 / VS 2015 - VS 2017
 
So, after Newburyport Cakewalk has switched to VS 2015.
 
Interesting that REAPER (latest version) and Waveform 8 are NOT linked with MS runtime the same way. They do not show these dependencies, at least not in "old" tool I am using (Dependency Walker). Ableton 8 Lite was build using some archaic VS. I do not have other hosts to try.
 
And while that is pure speculation (I have not checked details what that means for using different versions of MS 140, multi-runtime is supported but participating programs should follow some rules), may be that somehow trigger NI failure (incompatible runtime API is called when it tries to speak with hardware)...

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MS Visual Studio used for building:
Newburyport (aka 21.13.0.32 ) - MSVCx120 / VS 2013
---- (next version) ---
2016.03 (aka 22.3.0.71)
and  CbB 2018.4 (aka 24.04.1) - MSVCx140 / VS 2015 - VS 2017
 
So, after Newburyport Cakewalk has switched to VS 2015.
 
Interesting that REAPER (latest version) and Waveform 8 are NOT linked with MS runtime the same way. They do not show these dependencies, at least not in "old" tool I am using (Dependency Walker). Ableton 8 Lite was build using some archaic VS. I do not have other hosts to try.
 
And while that is pure speculation (I have not checked details what that means for using different versions of MS 140, multi-runtime is supported but participating programs should follow some rules), may be that somehow trigger NI failure (incompatible runtime API is called when it tries to speak with hardware)...


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Re: Help! Can't Get The Maschine Controller To Operate Properly Inside Of Cakewalk (CxB) 2018/07/03 00:14:11 (permalink)
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I have the same issue with Sonar Platinum. I have the Maschine MK3 and the Maschine Jam. I get the White Pads and no display on the MK3 and nothing shows up on the Jam.
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Help! Can't Get Maschine To Work Properly As A VST Inside Cakewalk (CxB) 2018/07/03 14:12:23 (permalink)
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A quick fix might be to roll back to previous version of Windows 10.
 
Here is a link to the Windows 10 1709 Fall Creators Update, which was released in September 2017. It is still in Microsoft support, and should be safe to use. But you need to turn of auto update:
 
http://windowsiso.net/windows-10-iso/windows-10-creators-update-1709-download-build-16299-15/windows-10-fall-creators-update-1709-iso-download/
 
Here is a link i got from NI about the subject:
https://www.howtogeek.com/235474/how-to-roll-back-builds-and-uninstall-updates-on-windows-10/
 

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Update, on the rollback to older Windows.
 
For me, I had deleted the older Windows to save space.
And by that I cannot roll back to the previous version without a clean install.
That means spending a day installing NI Komplete Ultimate 10/11 and Toontrack SD3.
 
The rest of the system is working great, so I can’t do that without being sure it will work.
 
Does anyone of you have the ability to rollback to previous Windows in the Settings?

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Re: Help! Can't Get Maschine To Work Properly As A VST Inside Cakewalk (CxB) 2018/07/03 20:18:01 (permalink)
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I rolled back a few patches two weeks or so back, I didn't go back as far as September but I think I did the March ones which didn't help at all, mainly because I didn't fancy reinstalling everything if it all turned nasty
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I rolled back a few patches two weeks or so back, I didn't go back as far as September but I think I did the March ones which didn't help at all, mainly because I didn't fancy reinstalling everything if it all turned nasty


Does it say in [Settings - System - About – Windows - specifications]  Version Windows 10 (and or  Pro), Version 1803 or 1709? It has do say 1709 to have any effect in this.

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Re: Help! Can't Get Maschine To Work Properly As A VST Inside Cakewalk (CxB) 2018/07/03 21:17:31 (permalink)
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I just did the ones that looked like they might have been VC redistributable related as that was the theory at the time. I think I'd be too cowardly to try to roll back to the creators update, based solely on reinstall time if it all went awry 
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Re: Help! Can't Get Maschine To Work Properly As A VST Inside Cakewalk (CxB) 2018/07/04 04:52:48 (permalink)
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I just did the ones that looked like they might have been VC redistributable related as that was the theory at the time. I think I'd be too cowardly to try to roll back to the creators update, based solely on reinstall time if it all went awry 


Yeah right. I dont have the option to let Windows do the rollback by itself, so i dont want to jumt into in this computer. I might try another later today.

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Re: Help! Can't Get Maschine To Work Properly As A VST Inside Cakewalk (CxB) 2018/07/05 08:13:58 (permalink)
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Has anyone had any success with trying the Windows 10 rollback, yet?

I'm getting tired of Studio One 4. Ready to come home, now.

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Re: Help! Can't Get Maschine To Work Properly As A VST Inside Cakewalk (CxB) 2018/07/05 13:22:41 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby godino 2018/07/06 09:18:14
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Sorry for delay. But I did test it now on my Surface Pro MK1 and it works. No problem with connecting and showing all info, browse for sounds and so on. I took some pictures but I thought now that it is not necessary.
 
It works!
 
That PC was the Windows 10 1709 Fall creators update.

Problem is, that I had to turn upgrades on hold to make it stay on this build. Or I couldn’t find a option to make it stay. So, if you go back to this build, you might need to pull out the internet cable or turn of WiFi.

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