Help! I'm having sinful thoughts!

Mac/Logic is a very sexy combo... I don't blame you for sinning.

But remember what it will do to your wallet for very little improvement on functionality.

(If I was way rich, however, I'd have Logic and PT on a fully blown out G5...)

And the IBM-based G5s are history. That doesn't mean they won't continue to be good computers, but switching at a time just before Apple switches their platform to Intel...I'd think twice.

Take it for what it's worth.

What features are you specifically looking for with a logic system?

Save your money and build a new pc and upgrade to v4. Every software package has it's problems. I've read equal amounts of threads of Logic users that are unhappy with the video implementation, sync, etc. within Logic. (I thought about the same jump earlier this year.)

It all depends what your needs are. If you need extensive notation or need to sync to HD, you might want to consider another software like nuendo. Otherwise, if you're just creating music to a dv file at 29.97 fps, sonar will work just fine.

I'm hoping with v5, the multimedia features are improved. It would put sonar over the top...

-r

I think you should stick with Sonar, AND get a Mac to use Logic. Seriously!

I don't understand why it should have to be an EITHER/OR situation. My friend still uses an old Atari computer to do MIDI work, and syncs it to his PC, or his Roland hard-drive recorder, or to analog tape, or to whatever.

Have you read about connecting music computers via Ethernet? Seems like a trend nowadays, to spread the work over multiple computers...

switching at a time just before Apple switches their platform to Intel...I'd think twice.

themusicdude,

You should take a look at the August edition of Computer Music. It gives a lot of details about the Apple processor switch to Intel thats scheduled sometime next year. If you're going to be making that kind of investment then you might want to wait a year to have a platform that will be support for at least a couple years.

I'll pray for you! Cause in my opinion playing with a Mac is a terrible sin indeed!!!

Ron

So I managed to get ahold of Logic 5.5 from a friend.

I hope 7.1 has a better GUI, because just playing around with it I couldn't figure out how to do a single thing. Tomorrow I'll jump into the manual and dig around, but so far I'm feeling really depressed. It looks like I'll have to bite the bullet and go to 4 or wait for 5 to come out.

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Have you read about connecting music computers via Ethernet? Seems like a trend nowadays, to spread the work over multiple computers...

any good link for that?

great sounding plugins and instruments right out of the box, and lots of them

I think with Sonitus and P5 (which is, admittedly another expense), Sonar sounds great out of the box, too.
T.

logic is very had to learn

About 6 years ago they sent me a demo disk. I'm an engineer by day, so the ultimate configurability appealed to me. However, after a few hours in the drivers seat it was obvious to me that to configure it the way I wanted it configured was going to take too long. It did look like it would be real slick once it was setup properly. But, I stuck with CW so I could spend that time making music.

I have my own opinions on Sonar 4. Its a kickarse app. for making Great Quality Music. It stands above other top sequencers in the sheer ease of use and great integration with hardware. I simply love doing songs on Sonar, but im not completely sure about its video capabilities as for now. Sorry.

And guys, ive seen some film composers use Logic to score. But, what are the issues with problems in video sync with it ? I need to know cos i have been thinking that i ultimately need to switch to Logic/Mac in the future which need not happen at all by your words.

I own a copy of Nuendo 3, and it certainly is not gapless.

Each to his own, though. It is a "killer app" though. It has almost killed me many times.

Enjoy the dongle.

What do you guys make out of Sonar`s pricing being 3/4th off of Nuendo or half off Logic ? Where is the striking difference ??

What do you guys make out of Sonar`s pricing being 3/4th off of Nuendo or half off Logic ? Where is the striking difference ??

I can't comment on Logic, since I haven't used it since v5.5.

Regarding the Nuendo price difference, I would suggest going to the main Steinberg site or the Nuendo Forum. Somewhere they have a detailed list of the features found in Nuendo 3, not found in SX3. I know that's a sideways method of going about it, but it might help.

Steinberg has announced that they will be adding more and more post-production features to Nuendo, beginning with the free version v3.1 update (due any time now). Only the company can answer your question accurately (which, of course most companies wouldn't anyway), but it's obvious that they are heavily positioning the product for larger studio/post use, charging what the market will bear, and perhaps anticipating covering the cost for the licensing of future technology.

BTW, my post earlier in the thread was a bit tongue-and-cheek. Those who have read my earlier thoughts on the product know that I actually like it, but have been extremely frustrated that--up to now--it has fallen short of its potential (IMHO, of course ). This may be about to change with the Yamaha backing. I wish them well, but I will no longer be in their upgrade path, because Sonar and a couple of other programs meet my needs quite well.

Good luck in your decision making. Obviously fitting a program to *your* specific needs is the objective--regardless of what I or others may say.

In addition to the articles I suggested you take a look at in my post above -- this eye-opener was recently brought to my attention in Digidesign's Mac/PT LE forum:

Horrible Mac Support Incident


It's probably best to read the whole thread.

Horror stories happen and -- certainly -- they happen everywhere. But even beyond the angry first post, there are a range of experiences described by other users that range from customer-friendly to... well, you should read it yourself and decide for yourself.


There are many fine things about Apple computers and OS X -- but it is not all sweetness and light and there are significant issues with regard to hardware and even low level OS issues. (If you want a real education on the compromised underpinnings of OS X, with regard to how the very modern Mach kernel (a microkernal architecture) is very poorly served by the jumbled, open source Darwin layer (an 'old-fashioned' monolithic architecture that forces system calls to the Mach kernal to queue up for serial access instead of being able to send multiople system calls to Mach -- as it was designed for) -- you might want to take a look at this article comparing the latest hardware from Apple, Intel, and AMD (which found that OS X Serve can be 10 times slower than Linux on the same box running hte same apps in heavy load situations):

http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2436 ( or if your only interested in the kernal architecture you can jump to the chase: http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2436&p=6 )

I was one of those with Mac horror stories, but not only me, my partner's iBook is now in the bin....literally. She has had no end of problems, with it and it is SOOO slow, and was having similar problems.

I have (still...as an expensive music player now!) a G4 mac, which when I run Digital Performer 4.1 can only run...3-4 tracks of audio with no plugins. I know my way around computers and have tried all optimisations under the sun and it still doesn't improve the matter. Now I am not on the most upto date version of the os...cat or llama or whatever it is...why, well this was the other thing that made me move away from Apple....charging for each upgrade to the OS (each point version...at £99 a shot!)...for basically bug fixes. So I went to 10.2 and then gave up. Not only did I have to pay for upgrade to the OS, but also DP upgrades....3 to 4 (that is okay you would expect that). 4-4.1, 4.1 - 4.5 at £129 a shot. And what I currently have is....well unusable!

So all those upgrades....well I could by Sonar or a new PC (cheap one...but you know what I mean!)

I am a huge fan of Digital Performer and still lust after it. For film scoring it is probably the best app out there (IMHO). it is little things like http://www.motu.com/products/software/dp/features46/film.html/en


BTW when I talk about film work....I don't mean doing video editing...I do that in Vegas and would never want to do that in Sonar. But Sonar is lacking in terms of

-Locking Clips to SMPTE time (i have to export my music and do all spotting in Audition)
-Not being able to scroll in frames (yes you can do it, but not in the track window....all other apps...including Acid do this)
-Align any audio to the tempo of the project - this is upon import
-Set Timecode at Cursor Position
-Quantize beats within clips
-No rewind or fast foward...(I don't mean jumping back a bar or forward a bar)
-Find tempo between markers
-Ability to timestretch/pitch shift clips....without having to go into various dialouge boxes...should be able to do it on the clip.

Don't get me wrong I am a big fan of Sonar, and recommend it to everyone....and I am holding on to see what Version 5 holds. But my work is changing and is forcing my hand....I can't go back to Mac, Sonar isn't (currently) up to the job I want to do....and I really really don't want to go the Steinberg route

Not really a rant....just keeping my fingers crossed for version 5!!

All the best

Neil