SteveStrummerUK
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Help needed - Clean Install of Vista
Hi guys As you may be aware, I've been having some problems with my PC. Although I managed to get up and running for a short while, the problem has re-occured and I'm only able to run in Safe Mode. This means no SONAR, in fact no sound at all, no printing etc - a complete PITA. To these ends, I've decided to follow one of two courses of action: - Use the Dell factory-reset option first to see if this clears the problem (it will leave Vista on the PC)
- If not, I plan to do a complete reinstallation of Vista (I did have the disc all along JB)
I've backed up everything to an external 1TB drive so I know my files are safe, and I'm currently gathering together all my program installation discs, as well as making a note of all the programs/VST's etc I'll need to download and reinstall after. I also have my PC backed up to external drive using Acronis but I think it might be best to put everything back on manually, lest I simply restore the problem. What I'd like some advice on (as I've never done this before and am admittedly very green about the gills with this sort of stuff) is what are the sort of things I should be doing before I commit to doing a factory reset/reinstall to ensure I'm able to (eventually) get back to somewhere near where I am now. Incidentally, any advice you guys can give me will be inavaluable in a few weeks time as I've ordered a new PC (i7/2x 1TB internal drive/16GB RAM) and I'll need to get that up and running with all my favourite programs. I've been seriously contemplating an upgrade anyway, but the problems I've been having have sort of speeded up the process Thanks in advance guys and gals
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Re:Help needed - Clean Install of Vista
2011/03/29 16:45:44
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Steve - I've never done a factory reset of an OTS system, so I can't really comment on that. if you do a complete reinstall of Vista, I would suggest a low level format of the hard drive to mark any bad sectors IF you keep that hard drive. I think a better solution would be to keep that drive as a data drive and buy a new drive and put vista on it fresh. I see you're ordering a new system, and I understand money doesn't grow on trees (or does it in Grzylyrg??) but I'd still buy a new drive for this system if you can and if you're going to put vista on it.
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SteveStrummerUK
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Re:Help needed - Clean Install of Vista
2011/03/29 16:54:06
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Beagle I see you're ordering a new system, and I understand money doesn't grow on trees (or does it in Grzylyrg??) but I'd still buy a new drive for this system if you can and if you're going to put vista on it. Thanks Beag. Once I get my new toy I won't really need this PC, but if I can get it running relatively hassle-free I'll keep it for the kids to use upstairs. I guess what's frightening me more is making sure I get everything I want installed properly and running on the new one. I can get online with my old PC, so I guess I've got nothing to lose using the DIY approach to this machine
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Re:Help needed - Clean Install of Vista
2011/03/29 17:06:28
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If it's not too late, see if you can identify all of your major system components: video card/chipset, network, sound card, etc. You may need to download drivers for those products and have them available after you reload Vista. For instance, If you install Vista and it can't recognize your network card to load a driver, you won't have network connectivity until you install the correct driver. Hope that helps, and good luck!
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Re:Help needed - Clean Install of Vista
2011/03/29 17:15:35
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Thanks Bubba, this is the sort of stuff I have no idea about The factory reset is supposed to return my PC to the exact state it was before I turned it on for the very first time, so I'll try that before the complete re-install of Vista in any case.
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Re:Help needed - Clean Install of Vista
2011/03/29 17:18:19
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Hitting it hard enough to make it see into its own dismal and shockingly brief future may not be as helpful as you might imagine.
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Re:Help needed - Clean Install of Vista
2011/03/29 17:21:15
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SteveStrummerUK Thanks Bubba, this is the sort of stuff I have no idea about The factory reset is supposed to return my PC to the exact state it was before I turned it on for the very first time, so I'll try that before the complete re-install of Vista in any case. Remember with Dell, this may include bloatware and trial software versions you may want to clean up ....
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Re:Help needed - Clean Install of Vista
2011/03/29 17:25:37
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Steve: If you are going down to a clean install, meaning nada on the HD, you want to ensure that Vista has required drivers for the chipset (IO, Mem controllers, etc) on your motherboard. Otherwise, you need to get them from Intel, Ausu, or whomever made your motherboard. Sometimes the OS will load up a generic set and then later when it gets internet access it will download what it needs. But, ya never know. Also, depending on how many times you have made changes to your system under this SN of Vista, you may be required to re-authorize the hard way...phone call.
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Re:Help needed - Clean Install of Vista
2011/03/29 17:31:24
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UbiquitousBubba If it's not too late, see if you can identify all of your major system components: video card/chipset, network, sound card, etc. You may need to download drivers for those products and have them available after you reload Vista. For instance, If you install Vista and it can't recognize your network card to load a driver, you won't have network connectivity until you install the correct driver. Hope that helps, and good luck! +1 on the drivers... I just did a fresh install of Vista Ultimate (32bit) on a seperate drive and things went quite well... (I updated & backed ALL my drivers before the install). Steve, it seems you got everything covered AFAICT. Of note, I noticed that Vista does a LOT of updating (seems like everyday there's a new update I've had to do....). I installed a new 1GB graphics card (to have dual monitors :)), but noticed Vista is a bit slow in responding to opening programs (generally). Is my Sys Ram being used/stored to correspond with the amount of the 1GB graphics card + the 512MB secondary graphics card?
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Re:Help needed - Clean Install of Vista
2011/03/29 17:51:33
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Do all Service packs and the ubiquitous Windows update, have hours possibly days of fun with those, before installing anything else. Then make an image of that with Acronis. Then all the latests drivers and make an image. Then start with mission critical software and do the image game even do the odd image for major installs. This will give you good roll back positions should you accidentally reintroduce this time sucking little bu&&er again. I am so glad I do not work in IT any longer, all I can and do is wish you the best of luck Steve and I will keep my hairy paws crossed for you.
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Re:Help needed - Clean Install of Vista
2011/03/29 17:58:40
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The Dell restore partition should have all the drivers etc. for the original machine, although they will not be the latest versions if changes have been made since the restore files were written. If you have added anything new (including external devices on USB or firewire etc.) then you will need to find drivers for them at some point. But I expect Dells all ship internet ready so you can probably download anything you need after the fact. You will lose any software that you have installed since you bought the machine. You can re-install that stuff (assuming copy protection is not an issue), but see if there is an easy way to save your tweaks and settings for the software, or you will need to do all that again. Your internet cookies and favorites, email accounts settings, etc. etc. will probably go bye-bye. Make sure you know how to save your windows authorization credentials or know how to re-activate your OS just in case. Same for any software you are going to lose, make sure you have the keys account numbers etc. Using the restore partition is like the restoration of the factory hard drive from a ghost image. It includes a lot more mature/complete/usable system state than a fresh installation will. A fresh installation will require you to find drivers etc. Before you do either a restoration from the restore partition or a format and clean install, consider trying a repair installation.
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SteveStrummerUK
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Re:Help needed - Clean Install of Vista
2011/03/29 19:23:59
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Wow - you folk are amazing, thanks MM, Katie, Mesh, Wook and Slart' for your most welcome advice. Slart, the Dell factory reset recovery partition is listed as Drive 'E' on my machine - it contains a Factory 'Image' including all the relevant drivers etc. I'm reading through the stuff on the 'Repair' link too, thanks for that.
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Re:Help needed - Clean Install of Vista
2011/03/30 08:58:29
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Steve.... I had a similar problem... the OS got corrupted somehow... and the lappy crashed all the time. The Dell I have, has a separate partition where it stored the backup. SO.... with great fear and trepidation....I made sure I had all my original disks for my apps, copied all my downloaded stuff off the computer to a USB hard drive..... and ....... went to the restore to factory setting and pressed OK. In about 20 minutes, the computer rebooted and showed the very same screen that it showed the day I first turned it on. In a matter of a few hours, I had installed all the important applications and files and was back in business. The fear of doing it was worse than the actual experience. It also gave me the opportunity to rid myself of the programs I never used.
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Re:Help needed - Clean Install of Vista
2011/03/30 09:53:31
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Herb, that's exactly how I'm feeling! Even though I have a new PC on order, and I've dragged my older PC down out of the attic to allow me to get online should I fluff the restore, I'm still filled with trepidation Guess I need to pluck up the courage and push the button
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Re:Help needed - Clean Install of Vista
2011/03/30 11:32:21
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Re:Help needed - Clean Install of Vista
2011/03/30 11:36:24
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Re:Help needed - Clean Install of Vista
2011/03/30 11:44:58
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If you have your personal stuff backed up just push that button! My laptop comes back just like new if I hold down F5 (?) while booting, it politely asks me if I want to destroy all my files first. But takes about 20 min and it's fresh and clean, Including Bloatware!! And ya, it will take a few trips to MS update site to update everything But within a few hours , most of which do not need you to even be there, it's back together<< unless the hard drive is screwed! good luck
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