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2011/04/16 23:54:28 (permalink)

Help - no guitar effects

Hey guys,
I just started using X1 and decided to lay down some guitar tracks. For an interface, I am using a fast track pro USB with Guitar Rig 4 (Stand alone program, not VST).  I am getting signal to the track and recording everything with distortion and effects etc etc.. Wav files are showing up good and strong.  however, when I play it back, it sounds like a plain clean guitar with no effects at all on it.  When I have used my sound blaster XFI for recording guitar tracks, it did play the effects in play back with the guitars.  It's almost as if Sonar is playing back the pre, and not the post FX on the recorded track.
I have also tried this in Sonar 8.0, and 8.5 with the same results.
 
As far as the M-audio control setup panel, there's nothing there except enabling and disabling inputs. So it's not a configuration issue on that end. I looked inside guitar rig 4 config and saw nothing that could point to that issue.
 
 
Any ideas?
Really need assistance. Operating system is Win 7 x64.
 
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    Re:Help - no guitar effects 2011/04/17 00:00:24 (permalink)
    On the Track itself, what does the input show?  (Is it MAudio X1 or from GR4  ?)
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    Re:Help - no guitar effects 2011/04/17 00:04:34 (permalink)
    If you are plugging directly into the MAudio and using GR4 then going into X1, Try eliminating GR4 as an effect before X1 and insert it into the FX bin on the track, select "input echo" so you can hear it as you are recording and see if that makes a difference.


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    Re:Help - no guitar effects 2011/04/17 00:24:44 (permalink)
    sounds like mike is right..check your input echo button.or its probably your interface..turn the knob that say either direct monitoring or something to that nature..just turn a few knobs on your interface..youll see.

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    Re:Help - no guitar effects 2011/04/17 00:38:38 (permalink)
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    sounds like mike is right..check your input echo button.or its probably your interface..turn the knob that say either direct monitoring or something to that nature..just turn a few knobs on your interface..youll see.


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    Re:Help - no guitar effects 2011/04/17 01:09:41 (permalink)
    lol...haa..im actually off now..i went upstairs in the middle of a mixdown and my wife is dressed up in some fancy get up...wife before music man..lol..not always but i got a good wifey so she gets what ever she wants.

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    Re:Help - no guitar effects 2011/04/17 01:11:24 (permalink)
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    Hey guys,
    I just started using X1 and decided to lay down some guitar tracks. For an interface, I am using a fast track pro USB with Guitar Rig 4 (Stand alone program, not VST).  I am getting signal to the track and recording everything with distortion and effects etc etc.. Wav files are showing up good and strong.  however, when I play it back, it sounds like a plain clean guitar with no effects at all on it.  When I have used my sound blaster XFI for recording guitar tracks, it did play the effects in play back with the guitars.  It's almost as if Sonar is playing back the pre, and not the post FX on the recorded track.
    I have also tried this in Sonar 8.0, and 8.5 with the same results.
     
    As far as the M-audio control setup panel, there's nothing there except enabling and disabling inputs. So it's not a configuration issue on that end. I looked inside guitar rig 4 config and saw nothing that could point to that issue.
     
     
    Any ideas?
    Really need assistance. Operating system is Win 7 x64.
     
    Thanks,
     
    Just to be sure: You do know that when you record any signal coming into SONAR while you may process the signal through an FX or softsynth; only the dry unaffected signal is recorded.
     
    You need to make sure that when you play back your recorded signal that the plugin is processing the audio.
     
    It sounds like it will simply be a setting that is or isn't engaged.


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    Re:Help - no guitar effects 2011/04/17 03:28:19 (permalink)
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    Hey guys,
    I just started using X1 and decided to lay down some guitar tracks. For an interface, I am using a fast track pro USB with Guitar Rig 4 (Stand alone program, not VST).  I am getting signal to the track and recording everything with distortion and effects etc etc.. Wav files are showing up good and strong.  however, when I play it back, it sounds like a plain clean guitar with no effects at all on it.  When I have used my sound blaster XFI for recording guitar tracks, it did play the effects in play back with the guitars.  It's almost as if Sonar is playing back the pre, and not the post FX on the recorded track.
    I have also tried this in Sonar 8.0, and 8.5 with the same results.
     
    As far as the M-audio control setup panel, there's nothing there except enabling and disabling inputs. So it's not a configuration issue on that end. I looked inside guitar rig 4 config and saw nothing that could point to that issue.
     
     
    Any ideas?
    Really need assistance. Operating system is Win 7 x64.
     
    Thanks,
     


    I don’t think the stand alone version of guitar rig can be recorded into a DAW like this ..I’m not totally sure, but I would be surprised if this was possible.

    You say you get a good signal of the recorded audio.. If you lower the output volume on Guitar Rig you’ll probably hear what you’re actually recording.. (dry signal)

    What input have you selected in Sonar?

    If you’ve selected “guitar rig” it should record the distorted signal. But, as I said, I really don’t think this is possible. If you’ve selected the audio cards input in Sonar, that what you’ll record. (The DRY signal that comes in)

    I’d use Guitar Rig as a vst on the track instead. Then you can freeze the track when you’re happy with it.

    …OR you can use another computer with the stand alone GR and let it be your “virtual amp”. Then just connect the output from this computer into your main computer and record that. :)


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    Re:Help - no guitar effects 2011/04/17 11:13:50 (permalink)
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    Hey guys,
    I just started using X1 and decided to lay down some guitar tracks. For an interface, I am using a fast track pro USB with Guitar Rig 4 (Stand alone program, not VST).  I am getting signal to the track and recording everything with distortion and effects etc etc.. Wav files are showing up good and strong.  however, when I play it back, it sounds like a plain clean guitar with no effects at all on it.  When I have used my sound blaster XFI for recording guitar tracks, it did play the effects in play back with the guitars.  It's almost as if Sonar is playing back the pre, and not the post FX on the recorded track.
    I have also tried this in Sonar 8.0, and 8.5 with the same results.
     
    As far as the M-audio control setup panel, there's nothing there except enabling and disabling inputs. So it's not a configuration issue on that end. I looked inside guitar rig 4 config and saw nothing that could point to that issue.
     
     
    Any ideas?
    Really need assistance. Operating system is Win 7 x64.
     
    Thanks,
     
    Just to be sure: You do know that when you record any signal coming into SONAR while you may process the signal through an FX or softsynth; only the dry unaffected signal is recorded.
     
    You need to make sure that when you play back your recorded signal that the plugin is processing the audio.
     
    It sounds like it will simply be a setting that is or isn't engaged.


    That is what I am experiencing. For those that have asked..yes I have tried input monitoring which still does nothing but play back the dry recorded signal. What I don't understand is there has to be a setting somewhere that on playback, it will play back with the FX. Yes, guitar rig 4 and ampeg SVX will work as standalone apps with Sonar, as I have done it with my SB card on a previous installation. I would hit record, play my guitar, and it would play back as if I was just playing it with effects and all.

    There has to be something that's not engaged but from checking in all the programs..there's nothing set within that will help with this. The setting has to be inside Sonar somewhere..

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    Re:Help - no guitar effects 2011/08/27 05:24:59 (permalink)
    Hi, did you ever find the answer to this?  I have a Roland Quad Capture and Sonar LE and am experiencing the same issue.  Yes, I can apply GR4 effects to the track afterwards, however I'd like to record the GR4 effects in real time, not the native guitar signal?  Thanks

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    Re:Help - no guitar effects 2011/08/27 08:52:35 (permalink)
    Unfortunately that's not the way that digital recording works using software.

    if you went to a purely non computer hardware recorder then no problem but then you wouldn't have all the plugins available either.

    Just a fact you're going to have to deal with. You can't record fx or soft synth output live unless you loop your audio output bcak in to your DAW and record that.

    SB cards could do that with a function called record "What You Hear". Knowing it could be done with a Sound Blaster is enough reason to leave the idea alone completely. What's the big problem with recording the dry sogna then bouncing to track or freezing. You get the same result and an unlimited degree of flexibility.

    As far as monitoring the fx signal that is not a problem. You just have to set your inout and out put signals properly. dare I suggest that a problem with such a basic DAW function should have you scrambling to do the SONAR tutorials over and over until you get it.




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    Re:Help - no guitar effects 2011/08/27 09:28:57 (permalink)
    Loptec got it right What the OP says is quite simply not the correct way to record guitar. And what Mudgel says about recording "what you hear" in the Soundblaster cards is definitely why your technique have worked earlier. To get the result you want you have to do as follows: Open the plug in manager in Sonar and scan your VSTs. I assume they are at the default location. Make sure the VSTs you want have been scanned and available in the list. On an audio track, set the input from your audio interface input where your guitar is plugged in. Right click on the FX bin and select, or drag and drop from the browser, the GR vst and the window will open up and you can set your favourite guitar tone from there. You should mute the direct sound through your audio interface (if not already muted), enable input echo and you should be up and running with that. Now you can record to your hearts content and even keep tweaking the sounds after you've recorded your tracks. Make sure that the latency for your soundcard as low as possible. And if you need to expand your knowledge about Sonar I suggest a click on this link, a bag of pop corn and you'll be an expert in no time;) http://cakewalk.com/CakeTV/SONARU.aspx

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    Re:Help - no guitar effects 2011/08/27 10:33:08 (permalink)
    Working as designed. It records the track without the effects. Just leave the effects on and you'll hear them on playback and when you export to WAV it will contain the tracks with the effects. 

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