Help please with brand new setup: piano + voice for brand newbie

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2013/01/13 17:06:57 (permalink)

Help please with brand new setup: piano + voice for brand newbie

Hello everyone, I have been out of the recording loop for about 5 years now; back then I bought Project 5 + an audio card + Midi cable (for my clavinova) + Virtual Grand Piano + mic + small mixer, and this setup was MUCH more than I needed but allowed me to record simple piano + voice. I now have a friend who wants to do something similar, however she is a complete newbie, and things have likely changed in the last 5 years (like, I'm sure there's probably a Midi to USB connector now so you don't need the fancy audio card?). So... could you please recommend the "most affordable" possible option to plug Midi into a computer, record off a keyboard, convert to MP3/WAV, and then burn a CD? Bonus if you could also record audio but that's not necessary. Again, to be clear, most of the programs (Sonar!) are probably way more than is needed (I know Project 5 was far beyond what I needed). Thanks so much for any and all help! Sam
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    AT
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    Re:Help please with brand new setup: piano + voice for brand newbie 2013/01/13 21:35:07 (permalink)
    Hey Sam, I remember your name.

    Virtual synths have come a long way in 5 years, but you still need a keyboard controller, midi interface (you can find them built in to the controller these days), a DAW, a piano synth and an audio interface to play it back.  If you are "writing" as opposed to playing  the piano piece you can skip the controller and midi interface.  If she isn't serious yet find something like a creative card w/ built/in sounds (or her onboard card if it includes samples) and pick up one of those dictaphone mic headsets.  The quality will suck but the whole shebang won't cost much.

    If she wants to play the piano she'll need a controller - and it will be a synth keybed, not paino unless you spend $500 or so.  And you'll need a decent audio interface to hear your work - many built-in audio cards aren't able to play live w/ a soft synth because of latency.  Many keyboard contollers have the midi built-in on USB. Some have audio in and out.  That could save some money.

    If she wants to record the singing, you'll need a real mic.  A shure 58 is about as good and cheap you'll find - and you can always sell it if she loses interest. Any playing musician or club or studio will buy it if they can plug it in and it works.

    As far as software - SONAR Essentials should work fine.  And comes w/ DimPro LE (a lite version of Dimension that came w/ P5) and sound center, which also has pianos (check those - I don't use them but they should have a decent piano included).  P5 was a linear recorder, but could do a lot of loop stuff.  SONAR comes from a linear background, tho it will do plenty of looping tricks too.  As far as other DAW - most of them do the same things and are, by necessity, complex, but SONAR was easiest for me to grok.  If you are going to record - even at home, some learning is necessary.  At least dropping a $100 on SE will include the piano software, so it is a two-fer-one.

    So first I'd find a keyboard that has midi in/out on usb.  I got a novation controller LE which works fine.  It was only $50, but has only 25 keys.  Hard to do any piano work on it ;-)  Maudio and korg both have 61 key usb controllers for under $200 at sweetwater.com.  You can shop around more.

    SONAR Essentials and one of those should get her started - hopefully her soundcard can handle the latency.  If not, budget another $100 for a card. Pick one w/ preamps and she can add a mic later.

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    Re:Help please with brand new setup: piano + voice for brand newbie 2013/01/16 04:53:07 (permalink)
    My intro to Sonar was when I bought my first audio sound card, which was a UA-25 by Edirol, which included a free copy of Sonar LE. That UA-25 [the newer one is a UA-25EX I think], has both audio inputs including 2 Mic Preamps & 2 1/4" phono type for a stereo source, like the outputs of a piano AND MIDI inputs for the piano keyboard. She could also go with one input into the Preamp for her mic & one into the 1/4" phono for the piano. This would give her Audio input/output options, MIDI in & out options & a light version DAW to record & play back into & out of. If on a real tight budget, PreSonus is giving away a free version of their DAW, which I think also includes an on board MIDI VST keyboard called 'Presence'. If she already has an audio card, this may be the cheapest way to get recording.



     
     
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    Re:Help please with brand new setup: piano + voice for brand newbie 2013/01/16 06:36:29 (permalink)
    Sampletekk supply some of the best low cost virtual pianos, but unfortunatly all but one needs the full version of Kontakt which puts them well outside any definition of cheap.
     
    However the SampleTekk Black runs in the free Kontakt player and is the most sophisticated and easiest to use and it sounds fantastic. Normal price is $99 BUT Sampletekk have frequent half price sales. If you can pick it up for $50 its a real bargain. 

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    Re:Help please with brand new setup: piano + voice for brand newbie 2013/01/17 18:13:36 (permalink)
    I just remembered another excellent free piano VST. 'Piano One' by Sound Magic is really really good. Check it out: http://www.supremepiano.com/product/piano1.html



     
     
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