AnsweredHelp soloing individual instruments in AD

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Help soloing individual instruments in AD

I have AD's drums all being output to seperate tracks and I'm having this issues soloing just a kick, or just a snare because the kick or snare sample is comprised of the Overhead and Room tracks as well. If I try and solo just a snare - it's practically silent because it's missing those tracks. If I include those tracks - I get all the other drums too. Is there any way around this? Thanks
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Re: Help soloing individual instruments in AD 2014/02/08 12:00:08 (permalink)
Are you using a drum map? If so, this is a long standing complain of mine about drum maps. 
 
Last year I put in a problem report about this and asked the members here to do likewise if they feel it is also a bug. IIRC we had over 10 people also submit problem reports.
 
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I'm not sure I understand your statement "the kick or snare sample is comprised of the Overhead and Room tracks as well" unless you mean you have bleed on. 
 
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Re: Help soloing individual instruments in AD 2014/02/08 12:47:43 (permalink)
No not using a drum map. I don't think. Quite new to producing so I haven't had a chance to learn all the terminology.
 
What I mean is the snare sound I have isn't just located on one track i.e snare, it's comprised of the recording in the room and overhead tracks too. When you output your tracks separately in Addictive drums these tracks get created. If I solo just my snare track I can hardly hear the thing. Most of it comes from the Overhead and rooms mics. Not sure if this is normal or not. Same with the kick. It sounds a lot quieter without the overhead and rooms. I might be missing something really simple.
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Re: Help soloing individual instruments in AD 2014/02/08 13:00:30 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby wisebaxter442 2014/02/09 13:04:49
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No not using a drum map. I don't think. Quite new to producing so I haven't had a chance to learn all the terminology.

Well, you have to take steps to use a drum map, unless you are using a prepared template someone gave you which is already using a drum map.
 
Sorry I could not be of more help.
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Re: Help soloing individual instruments in AD 2014/02/08 14:14:56 (permalink)
I usually turn off the room and overhead mics if I want to hear the pure drum sound. So many drum options I get them confused at times.

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Re: Help soloing individual instruments in AD 2014/02/08 14:50:06 (permalink) ☼ Best Answerby wisebaxter442 2014/02/09 13:05:15
If all the instruments are being driven by a single lane of a single MIDI track, the VSTi host (SONAR in this case, but it would apply to all hosts) has no way of preventing the sound from those instruments from getting into the room and overhead signals.
 
Your options are to put the MIDI in separate lanes or tracks so you can solo the MIDI part (so other kit pieces aren;t triggered) or to solo the instruments inside AD's mixer so no other instruments are included in the overhead and room signals.
 
The first option would be where the issue with Drum Maps comes in to which Bapu referred. Drum maps break the link between a MIDI track's solo button and the related synth's solo button so that soling a MIDI track requires manually soloing or enabling solo override on the drum synth's output so you can hear it. If you're not using a drum map, that won't be an issue.

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Re: Help soloing individual instruments in AD 2014/02/08 15:20:06 (permalink)
You can do it within AD's interface, Click on your snare and click the,"Edit" button along the top.
There you can solo the snare and it will include both direct and ambient mics.
 
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Re: Help soloing individual instruments in AD 2014/02/08 21:33:25 (permalink)
Thanks guys all sorted now. I forgot I just have to solo the snare in the main drums output track and of course it will include all the mics. I was trying to solo just the snare track but everything has to be done in that main channel, which is fine for me as I like to see everything on one track anyway.
 
Do the individual drums usually get processed independently of the accompanying overheads? If I wanted to add some EQ to my kick should I be adding that to kick combined with the ambient mics somehow? Or are the overheads usually just a layer than get processed separately?
 
Also noticed my snare is barely audible without the overhead and room mics. Is this normal for a snare?
 
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Re: Help soloing individual instruments in AD 2014/02/09 00:26:25 (permalink)
It's complicated at first but once you get the hang of it, it gets easier.
 
I usually use a cal file to "split notes to tracks" so all the different kit pieces are on their own track. I only do this because I find it easier to control the over all volume of certain things though it is not necessary.
 
First solo either the overheads or the room outputs. You will have to adjust the volumes in the AD interface by selecting each kit piece and using the two knobs on either side of the kit piece. It takes a while to do this but once done, the volumes of each piece will fit for the overhead as well as the room mics. You can then add compression to those tracks and EQ.
 
Then all you have to do is the output tracks for each kit piece. Adjusting the EQ and adding compression.
 
I usually add compression to the overheads, room and snare. Using a short release for the overheads,  snare and a long release for the room mics. I add reverb to the room mics and snare. Less for the snare and it varies for the room.
 
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Re: Help soloing individual instruments in AD 2014/02/09 12:17:58 (permalink)
Yeah it's definitely complicated lol I keep thinking I've got it all sorted only to come up against a new issue. But the rewards are well worth it. Having lots of fun with drums, learning about how they're played, how to make them sound realistic. It's awesome :) So you say to add compression to everything combined and then some to each individual drum. Ok cool.
 
Just having a look at splitting tracks now. Looks very handy indeed and opens up lots of possibilities. I might do as you suggested and place the kit pieces on their own track. Thanks for the mixing tips also. So I should use the AD interface to get each drum mic at the same level as the overheads? or to fit with them? Ok. Turned the snare mic up to max but it's still very quiet. Must just be the particular sample or the way snares are recorded. Rings out nicely in overheads.
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Help soloing individual instruments in AD 2014/02/09 12:22:57 (permalink)
I don't know what kit is being used but I find most individual instruments in a drum synth are always recorded pretty hot. There is an upper limit to how loud a track will go, it may be something needs to be turned down. Can't make each track louder than the next.
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Re: Help soloing individual instruments in AD 2014/02/09 12:37:14 (permalink)
Figured out the snare issue. I had a high pass filter on it. Duh lol dozy twonk. Did that ages ago when playing around and completely forgot. Another question. What should I be doing with the tracks mains L and mains R, in terms of busing etc? AD created these tracks for me and I've never been sure about them. According to a cakewalk blog they're a submix and output for the drums and can be used for parallel comp and adding effects. I've routed them to my drums bus for now...
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Re: Help soloing individual instruments in AD 2014/02/09 14:23:21 (permalink)
I usually do put a compressor on the drum bus. It's usually an LA-2A model and I use very little compression. -.5bdb of gain reduction. For the snare and overheads, maybe -2 or 3 db of gain reduction and -1db on the room.
 
I did not mention though. for the individual kit pieces, I mix them with Sonar's mixer and not AD's interface.
 
For the cymbals, I usually like to control them differently volume wise. I mix them in while mixing the overheads and room mics but they may need boost or cut in the overall mix. That's one reason I separate all my midi kit pieces. I can adjust their volume with their midi channels input gain. The volume sliders don't work in AD, which I never understood, but it's not a big deal since the input gain can be controlled.

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