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Help this poor Frenchie figure out something...
As mentioned in another thread, my lovely lady and a couple of friends managed to drag me to Disney last week. One of the very few rides I went on was the Nightmare Before Christmas Haunted Mansion.
At some point, the recorded narrator says "...unlike no other".
It wasn't the first time that I heard the expression, but usually, I ignore it because it is uttered in far less "formal" contexts. Same for people who "could care less" when in fact, they could not. But in this context, considering the language level used, it just stood out like a sore thumb.
Clearly, what was meant was the exact opposite: that it was something quite extraordinary, unlike anything else.
But this Frenchie can't fathom how the expression could actually mean anything but its contrary. It's mathematic. Unlike no other should mean, well, like every other.
Or am I missing something? Is it really a legitimate idiom? Considering the context, I do doubt myself.
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Re: Help this poor Frenchie figure out something...
2016/10/25 15:56:48
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☄ Helpfulby Rain 2016/10/25 16:16:57
Yes, it's the opposite of the intended meaning. Should have been 'unlike any other', or 'like no other'.
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Re: Help this poor Frenchie figure out something...
2016/10/25 17:12:10
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Unlike any other, like no other = Unique
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Re: Help this poor Frenchie figure out something...
2016/10/25 17:13:25
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The English language is full of potholes and confusion. A single word could have many meanings. Right?
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Re: Help this poor Frenchie figure out something...
2016/10/25 18:12:38
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☄ Helpfulby Rain 2016/10/25 18:40:11
Yep, Krist, You're right, Disney should be embarrassed by that, especially being used in a professionally recorded public exhibit with thousands of visitors streaming through every day! Don't even get me started on "irregardless", yikes!!!  Have a good one! Bob
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☄ Helpfulby Rain 2016/10/25 19:30:42
here's another good one *ravel* means to UNravel*: rav·el ˈravəl/ verb - 1.
untangle or unravel something.
"Davy had finished raveling out his herring net"
- 2.
confuse or complicate (a question or situation).
nounrare - 1.
a tangle, cluster, or knot.
"a lovely yellow ravel of sunflowers"
Double negatives have *got* the popular culture by the balls. Some songs just *don* sound right without a double negative. To the victor goes the spoils!
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Re: Help this poor Frenchie figure out something...
2016/10/25 19:33:11
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Unless they meant to twist the language meaning intentionally. And that is a possibility.
For example: " I ain't never gonna do that ". Means the exact opposite.... double negatives and that's what happened with that recorded thing...... "...unlike no other". It should have been .... LIKE NO OTHER.....
But considering the educational system in the USA..... it's no wonder. Good catch on that... most people, I'm sure, didn't catch it.
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Re: Help this poor Frenchie figure out something...
2016/10/25 19:35:54
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Double negatives have *got* the popular culture by the balls. Some songs just *don* sound right without a double negative. To the victor goes the spoils!
Indeed. Thus I agree - we don't need no education...
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2016/10/25 21:54:55
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Re: Help this poor Frenchie figure out something...
2016/10/25 23:13:35
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I don't get the confusion. It just means the same ol ****e as a million times before...but try and pretend it's not.
That's the Disney way.
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Re: Help this poor Frenchie figure out something...
2016/10/26 08:29:13
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The English language is an ongoing ad hoc stew with no recipe and no chef in charge. Every practitioner is free to toss in his own ingredient, be it of French, Italian, Greek, German, Arabic or Japanese in origin. Or simply make words up from scratch. Amazingly, despite its internal inconsistencies and lack of logic, this irrational stew turns out to be surprisingly useful for actual communication.
Why do we drive on a parkway and park in a driveway? You can't rationalize it. And you French speakers have no grounds to be smug, either. You've contributed your share to the stew as well, what with your randomly-placed accents and decorations. I live on a cul-de-sac. Literally "arse of the bag".
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Re: Help this poor Frenchie figure out something...
2016/10/26 09:34:23
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It's a bit like the American phrase "I could care less" which to me has the exact opposite of it's intended meaning. If you could care less then surely you care to some degree. In Britain we always said "I could not care less" which rightfully expresses your position as being at the very bottom of the caring scale. I can't help thinking that it was a case of Chinese whispers, a bit like the American spelling of "aluminum" as opposed to "aluminium."
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Re: Help this poor Frenchie figure out something...
2016/10/26 10:21:42
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Sooner or later, the ships will descend and we'll be informed that the experiment has failed and our ability to use language has been revoked. After that, things will make much more sense.
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2016/10/26 11:26:12
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Some of theorized that once everyone realizes what the world is about, it will immediately be replaced by something more confusing and inexplicable. Others think this has already happened...
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Re: Help this poor Frenchie figure out something...
2016/10/26 12:29:39
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Another thing I see regularly is in using the word "worst" instead of "worse"....
I just don't think anything could be more worse than the worst bratwurst that's cursed.
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Re: Help this poor Frenchie figure out something...
2016/10/26 13:10:23
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☄ Helpfulby Rain 2016/10/26 15:36:10
"one in the same" instead of "one and the same" "you've got another think coming" (HUH?) instead of "you've got another thing coming" "could (should/would) of" instead of "could (should/would) have" "could care less" instead of "couldn't care less" (a BIG personal pet peeve of mine!) "what you be doing?" - "what have you been doing" "ain't" ...I was taught to never use "ain't" because it was incorrect grammar. Now it's in the dictionary! how about "I hope to he!!"? what does that even mean? "I learnt him" - WHAAAT???? "on accident" - you can't do something "ON" accident. - it's "BY accident"  how about this one: "statue of limitations" - really? - "statute of limitations" "for all intensive purposes" - "for all intents and purposes" - come on, people! "extract revenge" - "exact revenge" "I'm gonna ax you something" - "I'm going to ask you something" "irregardless" - "regardless" - this one bugs my wife a lot, especially since my relatives in Tennessee say it a lot! "unthaw" - "thaw" - another one my relatives use which bugs my wife! "Scotch free" - "Scot free" - what...is the adhesive tape free? "I've made a 360 degree change!" ...hmmm...well, I guess you're right back where you started? and another big pet peeve of mine: "mute" vs "moot" - this is even used incorrectly on TV's shows and professional announcements. the words aren't even pronounced the same!!! how about "prostrate cancer" - what? is it lying face down? "sneak a peak" - uhm. which peak? Kilimanjaro? Fuji? Everest? "honed in" - "homed in" - are we using a honing blade to "hone in" on someone's territory??? "baited breath" - "bated breath" - hmm...worms or crickets? "by in large" - "by and large" "peaked my interest" - again - which peak are we talking here? McKinley maybe? the word is "piqued" "case and point" - which case are you pointing to? it's "case IN point" I know there are many others. they drive me nuts.
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Re: Help this poor Frenchie figure out something...
2016/10/26 13:28:01
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2016/10/26 13:35:19
FSF instead of cul-de-sac?
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Re: Help this poor Frenchie figure out something...
2016/10/26 13:35:14
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FSF instead of cul-de-sac?
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Re: Help this poor Frenchie figure out something...
2016/10/26 13:46:24
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The phrases, "I've heard it before," "Please, no," and "Mom, he's doing it again," are sometimes used to mean, "I'd love to hear more stories about the old days. Please, tell us another one and make sure to include references to people, places and events no one else knows or cares about."
Likewise, "Go away," "Get lost," and "Why are you still here?" often can be interpreted as "Please feel free to stay as long as you'd like. We don't need more than a couple of hours of sleep."
"What is wrong with you?" "Dude!" and "You are so gross," usually mean, "Watching you eat becan is like watching an exciting nature show during Shark week, only more visceral."
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Re: Help this poor Frenchie figure out something...
2016/10/26 13:49:47
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The phrases, "I've heard it before," "Please, no," and "Mom, he's doing it again," are sometimes used to mean, "I'd love to hear more stories about the old days. Please, tell us another one and make sure to include references to people, places and events no one else knows or cares about."
Likewise, "Go away," "Get lost," and "Why are you still here?" often can be interpreted as "Please feel free to stay as long as you'd like. We don't need more than a couple of hours of sleep."
"What is wrong with you?" "Dude!" and "You are so gross," usually mean, "Watching you eat becan is like watching an exciting nature show during Shark week, only more visceral."
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Re: Help this poor Frenchie figure out something...
2016/10/26 14:03:53
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Misposted.
Is that a word?
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Re: Help this poor Frenchie figure out something...
2016/10/26 14:30:08
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Okay. Here's one that used to get me in trouble all of the time. As a child, I was frequently asked some variation on the question, "Are you stupid?"
There is no right answer to this question. No matter what I said, things always took a turn for the worse. Here are some of the answers I tried with no success.
"If so, how would I know?"
"If I am, and you have to ask me, what does that say about you?"
"Not when compared to the rest of my gene pool."
"I guess there is a family resemblance."
"Apple. Tree."
"Give me a minute and I'll try to explain it to you in small words."
"No. Are you?"
"Violence never solved anything." (I'll admit that this was a weak ploy only used in desperation after one of my other answers triggered the "beat until he stops quivering" response.)
Inevitably, my answers would usually prompt a followup query along the lines of, "Are you trying to get smart with me?"
No Right Answers.
Hours later, once I could tolerate the sensation of pants with only minimal screaming, someone would remind me that all of this could have been avoided if I had just learned to keep my mouth shut.
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Re: Help this poor Frenchie figure out something...
2016/10/26 14:30:30
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"could (should/would) of" instead of "could (should/would) have"
That's the one. I hate that. That, and the current trend of answering any question by starting the answer with 'So..' and ending on the upward inflective.. 'What are you dong today James?' 'So, I'm trimming the hedges?' 
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2016/10/26 14:33:09
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Like, what's wrong with that, you know?
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Re: Help this poor Frenchie figure out something...
2016/10/26 14:42:52
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Starting declarative sentences with "So..." has become so ubiquitous that stopping it will be like trying get toothpaste back in the tube. This alone has made life almost unbearable for me.
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Re: Help this poor Frenchie figure out something...
2016/10/26 14:44:56
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My mayte Jaynes sews hedges?
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Re: Help this poor Frenchie figure out something...
2016/10/26 14:53:27
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Text speech mixed with suburban "cool" slang is a blight on society.
I mean, "LOL, it's totes whack, yo. Meh."
(Actually, I do like, "Meh." I feel it perfectly sums up a sense of apathy completely devoid of any hint of interest or emotion.)
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Re: Help this poor Frenchie figure out something...
2016/10/26 14:57:03
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If you're going with suburban slang......Bye Felicia!!
When a person does or says something that pisses you off, instead of letting their irrelevant butt (edited) get to you, their name becomes "Felicia". You can then say the words "Bye Felicia" as a way of dismissing them from your life, and showing them they hold no relevance to you.
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Re: Help this poor Frenchie figure out something...
2016/10/26 15:50:59
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Like, what's wrong with that, you know?
Like... I'm (occasionally) guilty of that one too. Someone on Facebook posted a link to an interview w/ Corey Feldman following his disastrous appearance on the Today Show a while ago. It was practically as disastrous as his performance. "“Like if you Google ‘Corey Feldman Today performance’ like every media is, like –,” Anne started to say before Feldman finished her statement with, “Like ‘Oh it’s so bizarre and he’s so weird and he’s so odd.’ “ I mean, like, come on... :P
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Re: Help this poor Frenchie figure out something...
2016/10/26 15:51:08
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how about "prostrate cancer" - what? is it lying face down?
I believe that I was lying on my side for the biopsy.
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