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2011/07/06 11:40:24 (permalink)

Help with DAW problems.

I'm sure there's a better forum for this, but why not have a serious thread here for a change? :) And this is where all the smart people hang out anyway, right?  :)

Anyway, a couple days ago I started getting a crackling noise in the headphones while listening to a song on my DAW.  Last night it was so bad I couldn't even listen.  I'm guessing it's either the sound card or the mixer, but I'm not sure how to check. 
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    The Maillard Reaction
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    Re:Help with DAW problems. 2011/07/06 11:44:21 (permalink)
    Just the headphones?

    First order of business is to remove and replace the headphone plug vigorously a few times. It may simply be a contact issue.

    If that doesn't help... are the headphones plugged into your sound card or your mixer?

    best,
    mike


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    Re:Help with DAW problems. 2011/07/06 11:45:50 (permalink)
    Keep Mooch away from it.

    Seriously.

    Keep Mooch away from it.

    And try what McQ sez.
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    Re:Help with DAW problems. 2011/07/06 11:46:41 (permalink)
    Have you been chewing the cable again?

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    Re:Help with DAW problems. 2011/07/06 11:49:45 (permalink)
    Karyn


    Have you been chewing the cable again?

    See first and third lines of post #3
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    Re:Help with DAW problems. 2011/07/06 11:50:30 (permalink)
    Hi Janet,

    Sorry about your DAW problem.  Do you hear the same crackling through your speakers?  Can you burn the song to a CD and see if the crackling is on the song or just through the headphones? 

    Just to get back into CH mode for a moment:  You're not having Rice Crispies for breakfast are you?  They might be causing your crackling noise.   

    Good luck,
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    Re:Help with DAW problems. 2011/07/06 11:51:37 (permalink)
    Mike, I don't have external speakers hooked up yet (just moved the whole kit-n-kabooble last month), so yes, only the headphones.  I tried another set and it does the same thing.  They're plugged into the mixer, which goes into the sound card. I'll try the jack a few times to see.

    Ed and Karyn, I knew I'd come to the right place!  :)  (Karyn, not I, but my grandson would if he could get ahold of it!)  lol
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    Re:Help with DAW problems. 2011/07/06 11:55:20 (permalink)
    Jan, we were typing at the same time.  See my post above about the speakers.  I can try the CD idea. Thanks!  And nope, I drink a fruit shake for breakfast, but good try! :)
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    Re:Help with DAW problems. 2011/07/06 12:00:42 (permalink)
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    Jan, we were typing at the same time.  See my post above about the speakers.  I can try the CD idea. Thanks!  And nope, I drink a fruit shake for breakfast, but good try! :)


      I'd say we were typing at the same time.  I thought I was the first one responding and I wound up being fourth or fifth.  Not that it matters--it was just a surprise. 

    Have you changed anything recently?  Was it working OK before and after you moved the rig?  You might also check and see if you're buffers are set correctly. 

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    Re:Help with DAW problems. 2011/07/06 12:02:26 (permalink)
    Very simple test,  does it still crackle using Windows Media Player?  or any other non-Sonar app?

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    Re:Help with DAW problems. 2011/07/06 12:02:58 (permalink)
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    I thought I was the first one responding and I wound up being fourth or fifth.



    And I thought my 1/2 finger typing method was slow.....
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    Re:Help with DAW problems. 2011/07/06 12:03:58 (permalink)
    Yeah, it's weird when you answer someone and then look and find out one or two more people commented in the meantime BEFORE your post.  lol

    I did change the buffers recently to take care of some latency I'm getting on the mic and in that project with the piano.  Actually, it started then, but I never put that together.  Hmmmm...  And yes, it was working fine up until a few days ago. 
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    Re:Help with DAW problems. 2011/07/06 12:09:49 (permalink)
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    Yeah, it's weird when you answer someone and then look and find out one or two more people commented in the meantime BEFORE your post.  lol

    I did change the buffers recently to take care of some latency I'm getting on the mic and in that project with the piano.  Actually, it started then, but I never put that together.  Hmmmm...  And yes, it was working fine up until a few days ago. 


    That would be the thing to look at first, then.  See if you can find a setting that it will make your DAW happy.

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    Re:Help with DAW problems. 2011/07/06 12:11:16 (permalink)
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    Old55


    I thought I was the first one responding and I wound up being fourth or fifth.



    And I thought my 1/2 finger typing method was slow.....


    Your half-finger typing method?  I'm not sure I want to know what that's about. 

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    Re:Help with DAW problems. 2011/07/06 12:14:59 (permalink)
    Usually, SONAR will not crackle during drop outs if your buffers are too small... it has a soft drop out feature.

    Is it SONAR or other apps that are crackling?


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    Re:Help with DAW problems. 2011/07/06 12:19:26 (permalink)
    Just Sonar, Mike.  I haven't tried other programs yet (not quite awake yet this morning when I messed with it.) 
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    Re:Help with DAW problems. 2011/07/06 12:24:19 (permalink)
    As has been suggested, I'd consider going back to bigger buffers as a test.

    Even though SONAR usually will not crackle... It's possible you might have some soft synth or efx running that is doing it.

    Let us know when you get a chance to try.

    If it wasn't a dirty contact it is unlikely it is some hardware problem.

    It may just be a driver coughing and a reboot will make it disappear and you can keep the small buffer settings.


    best,
    mike



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    Re:Help with DAW problems. 2011/07/06 12:30:32 (permalink)
    Janet, get your speakers hooked up ASAP and start narrowing down the possibilities.



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    Re:Help with DAW problems. 2011/07/06 12:35:30 (permalink)
    I'll try all those things, guys.  Thanks!  I won't be home till late tonight, so you can all find other things to do while you wait for my answer. :)  Thanks again!
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    Re:Help with DAW problems. 2011/07/06 12:36:23 (permalink)
    Finally....


    Permission to derail the thread.
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    Re:Help with DAW problems. 2011/07/06 12:38:06 (permalink)
    You've been a good boy.


    Now go crash a speaker.

    That's what I'm gonna do.



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    Re:Help with DAW problems. 2011/07/06 12:38:50 (permalink)
    Oh, you use X1?
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    Re:Help with DAW problems. 2011/07/06 13:00:36 (permalink)
    I didn't want to taint the integrity of one of Janet's serious threads with my presence.  But, since we have a green light to derail at will, I figured I might be able to slip by unnoticed on my way to the refrigerator. 

    Janet, where do you keep your becan?  You're out of cheese, by the way.  I also found a half finger in the ice cube tray.  Is that the one you use to type?

    Ok.  My attempt to sneak by without attracting undue attention may have gone awry.  Did anyone else hear a chainsaw?

    It may be a good time to get out...
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    Re:Help with DAW problems. 2011/07/06 13:36:09 (permalink)
    Old55 goes home with the prize today.  It was the buffers. 

    I first tried listening to music in other programs, then tried another project in Sonar (thought I'd DONE that before with no luck!), then came back, changed the buffer back to 256 instead of 64, where it was before...and no crackles!

    I guess that won't help my latency problem, but I can live with that.  Makes me curious, but at least I don't have to buy anything right now.

    Thank you!

    Bubba...the cheese is in the freezer.  Sorry.  I'm afraid there's no becan right now though.  Rarely is, I'm afraid. :(  The half finger must belong to Bapu, although I have no idea how it got there.  You ARE being a good boy and only eating good-for-you things, though, aren't you?  Yeah, I thought so.  If I'm not careful, I may have to get more strict with myself too. :(

    Thanks guys!  You're great!  :) Carry on with your weightier CH matters now.
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    Re:Help with DAW problems. 2011/07/06 13:47:11 (permalink)
    Janet,

    I for one am a weightier matter ever since my May trip (I ate waaaaaaay tooooooo gooooooood).

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    Re:Help with DAW problems. 2011/07/06 13:53:16 (permalink)
    Not to deviate too far from the typical CH path here, but I've had the same problem with crackling, drop outs, etc. in different versions of Sonar.  In my case, Sonar was not the problem.  For my rig, the issue was that the drivers for my audio interface gave me problems if I tried to reduce latency too low.  Even though the manufacturer claimed that their product was capable of extremely low latency, it really wasn't.  I went through a few different audio interfaces before I finally settled on something that would work for my DAW at the latency I wanted.  The very same audio interfaces that failed me have worked for many others here in these forums.  A friend of mine had similar issues and found that, as long as he didn't drop the latency too low, he could live with it. 

    When I'm laying down tracks, I'll keep it simple with minimal VSTs in use.  I'll freeze tracks I can freeze and I might even bounce down and record in a separate project so I'm using only a minimal amount of system resources.  Later, I'll crank the latency back up and whip out the VSTs.  During the mixdown, latency doesn't really matter.

    And yes, I'm eating healthier.  (Emphasis on "er")
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    Re:Help with DAW problems. 2011/07/06 14:04:20 (permalink)
      I'm guessing that the reason you first adjusted the buffer was because you were getting a delay? Or maybe it was already mentioned.At any rate,  if you were to get a small mixer you could feed the piano and your vocals onto it before you go into the interface. This way you would hear everything direct without the delay.

      In X-1 I always turn off my effects monitoring when recording for the same reason.
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    Re:Help with DAW problems. 2011/07/06 14:42:05 (permalink)
    Ed, yeah me too.  But I didn't have to go on a trip...just get a sit-down job this summer, close to my daughter-in-law who cooks way too well!

    Bubba, I've never had problems with this sound card and I've done projects with 20 synths loaded.  Not quite sure what's going on with this one, since there are only 5 or 6 and 2 vocal tracks.  I'll have to check into it.  (And '-er' is a step in the right direction!)  :)

    Thanks Tim.  I do have a small mixer and haven't had this problem before.  I'll need to do some more looking around I guess. 
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    Re:Help with DAW problems. 2011/07/06 15:03:56 (permalink)
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    Just the headphones?

    First order of business is to remove and replace the headphone plug vigorously a few times. It may simply be a contact issue.

    If that doesn't help... are the headphones plugged into your sound card or your mixer?

    best,
    mike

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    Have you been gliding across a shag rug wearing gym socks?  Have you spent much time rubbing your hands on a fully inflated balloon?   Do you have pockets filled with Fireflies?  ARe you wearing any antennae with your headphones?


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    Re:Help with DAW problems. 2011/07/06 15:10:17 (permalink)
    Come to think of it, there was a small racoon, one red sock, and a Goodyear blimp stuck to the back of my head this morning.  It was sparking and crackling when I pulled it off.  The racoon, I mean.  The blimp is still holding on tight.

    I had forgotten all about that.
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