Help with Dropouts

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2011/09/01 00:03:06 (permalink)

Help with Dropouts

I had no problems with a, b, but C is leaving me with dropouts!! These are issues with songs I have ALREADY WRITTEN IN X1C, and I have  have awesome specs (please look below), so don't blame it on those CW.  This is beyond ridiculous...

All I am doing is adjusting levels and I am getting dropouts.  I WILL NOT PUT UP WITH THIS TYPE OF RESULT - CW: Lose another 15+ year customer if you want. I better hear something fast, cause this SO sucks.

Michael
 
 
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post edited by Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk] - 2011/09/01 11:07:57

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    cliffr
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    Re:W .T . F.@ck!!! 2011/09/01 00:31:54 (permalink)
    And you want help ?

    This is not cakewalk tech support, this is a peer to peer forum, so don't expect to get support
    directly from cakewalk on here.

    In fact, with a post like that, I wouldn't expect to get any kind of support.

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    Re:W .T . F.@ck!!! 2011/09/01 00:36:13 (permalink)
    With an attitude like that, as far as I'm personally concerned, don't let the door hit you in the azz on the way out.

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    Re:W .T . F.@ck!!! 2011/09/01 01:33:07 (permalink)
    wow lmao - just wow

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    Re:W .T . F.@ck!!! 2011/09/01 02:02:06 (permalink)
    Yes, it couldn't be anything else but X1.

    Really?

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    Re:W .T . F.@ck!!! 2011/09/01 02:34:00 (permalink)
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    Your spec definitely tell me that it should work like charm.
    I don't know but how much buffer latency you are running. You should use 512 or 1024 buffer.
     
    DONT FOLLOW RME instructions----> Change CPU scheduling to Background Task. IT SHALL BE SET TO PROGRAM!


    IF you still have issus and drop outs?? Have you change anything in your system example XP TWEAKS on Windows 7? Have you disable AERO or Virtual Memory? You shouldn't! That can couse it!


    I have no problem running projects with over 100 channels and 5 GB RAM in use.. no clitches no drop outs..


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    Re:W .T . F.@ck!!! 2011/09/01 03:11:47 (permalink)
    First , please have the courtesy to write proper headlines that are descriptive.

    You are not even having a showstopper problem and you are about to leave Sonar?

    You are adjusting levels and get dropouts, big deal.

    Adjusting level on what?

    Levels on a track, on a third party plugin or what.

    Is it actually dropouts you are getting that make transport stop?
    Or is it just crackles.

    I find it sad that Windows after 20 years still cannot handle realtime audio without tweaking and turning off the general interface stuff like some hardware acceleration. The first thing I had to do when starting with Sonar on XP 2005 was to turn off shadows under popupmenus - or I would get crackles.

    With my new daw a year ago W7 Professional with i7 860 I had to do similar stuff - or I had crackles on some situations.

    If X1c is producing more crackles, it might be it's doing things right now. I there are plenty things fixed in C-patch.

    So don't assume X1 is doing something wrong.

    As Freddie said already - check out the general tweaks suggested for uninterrupted audio in W7.

    But I don't agree with Freddie to turn scheduling to program. Audio driver are separate processes and if they get less cpu it's more likely to produce more crackles.
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    Re:W .T . F.@ck!!! 2011/09/01 03:22:52 (permalink)
    lfm




    But I don't agree with Freddie to turn scheduling to program. Audio driver are separate processes and if they get less cpu it's more likely to produce more crackles.
     
     
    Hi my friend!
    On XP this was true but not on Windows 7. Audio Driver itself is not a background task so it will not be effective at all.  
    The only thing that will happen is that your LOWER your computer performance and Programs performance so you get more dropouts instead.
     
     
     
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    Re:W .T . F.@ck!!! 2011/09/01 06:26:10 (permalink)
    Freddie H


    lfm




    But I don't agree with Freddie to turn scheduling to program. Audio driver are separate processes and if they get less cpu it's more likely to produce more crackles.
     
     
    Hi my friend!
    On XP this was true but not on Windows 7. Audio Driver itself is not a background task so it will not be effective at all.  
    The only thing that will happen is that your LOWER your computer performance and Programs performance so you get more dropouts instead.
     
     
     
    Best Regards
    Freddie
    So what you are saying is that this setting should be named "Lower performance on computer" instead???? ;)

    I beg to differ.

    The audio drivers are separate processes on my computer anyway so it will be affected how much cpu it receives.

    Running firewire the best overall perfomance I got gave 7% cpu on i7 machine(20% one core) just keeping audio up.
    On my internal card this is 0% keeping audio up.(So I threw firewire out of course).

    So it's all about balancing what app needs and drivers need from computer. So when coming up to about 60-70% of cpu usage total keeping away from crackles you might want to experiment with this setting depending of the technology you use for audio.

    So running firewire with that high cpu usage just for keeping audio up - I recommend using background setting. You will much sooner reach a breakpoint where background needs more with firewire(I guess same for USB stuff).

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    Re:W .T . F.@ck!!! 2011/09/01 06:57:23 (permalink)
    I'm almost thinking that it does sound like a buffer setting issue. Set the buffers, you may have to tweak them a little more.

    The space you have will always be exceeded in direct proportion to the amount of stuff you have...Thornton's Postulate.

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    Re:W .T . F.@ck!!! 2011/09/01 08:24:11 (permalink)
    Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out-

     
     
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    Re:W .T . F.@ck!!! 2011/09/01 10:46:39 (permalink)
    I agree with Freddie.

    oh sorry it's

    +1
     
    I also agree with the OP
     
     
    post edited by Dappa1 - 2011/09/01 10:48:24
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    Re:W .T . F.@ck!!! 2011/09/01 11:10:14 (permalink)
    But I don't agree with Freddie to turn scheduling to program. Audio driver are separate processes and if they get less cpu it's more likely to produce more crackles.

     
    FWIW, That advice also comes from the CTO of Cakewalk...    
     

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    Re:Help with Dropouts 2011/09/01 11:21:40 (permalink)
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    I had no problems with a, b, but C is leaving me with dropouts!! These are issues with songs I have ALREADY WRITTEN IN X1C, and I have  have awesome specs (please look below), so don't blame it on those CW.  This is beyond ridiculous...

    All I am doing is adjusting levels and I am getting dropouts.  I WILL NOT PUT UP WITH THIS TYPE OF RESULT - CW: Lose another 15+ year customer if you want. I better hear something fast, cause this SO sucks.

    Michael
     
     
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    FWIW, "Awesome specs" doesn't always translate to a perfectly functioning DAW.
    ie: Higher end video cards can cause problems.
     
    Step back, calm down, and start some basic trouble-shooting.
    Approach the situation with a calm attitute.  You'll make better decisions.
     
    Worst case scenario, you can manually/fully uninstall Sonar X1... and reinstall and apply the A and B patches.
     
    Are you running the 64Bit version of Sonar X1?
    Are you using 32Bit (bridged) plugins?  If so, that's the first culprit to test.
    If the issue winds up being a bridged 32Bit plugin, you can try using jBridge (3rd party bridging applet).
    Do you have the 32Bit version of Sonar X1 installed?  Do you experience the same behavior using it?
     
    Go step-by-step eliminating variables... and ultimately you'll find the culprit.
    Make sure to check the RME/drivers/FW controller...

    Best Regards,

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    Re:Help with Dropouts 2011/09/01 11:37:03 (permalink)
    "Jim Roseberry"
    Step back, calm down, and start some basic trouble-shooting.
    Approach the situation with a calm attitute. You'll make better decisions.

    One of your better pearls of wisdom.  
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    Re:Help with Dropouts 2011/09/01 13:54:29 (permalink)
    Hasn't there been some documented issues regarding nVidia video drivers and DAW performance...m_b you might find it worthwhile googling this.

    Also, i believe the mobo ur using has a Via firewire chip...what does it say on the RME forum about that chipset? (FWIW i've had no problem using a built-in Via FW hookup for a PoCo and one or two other things...but i had to switch to a standalone TI FW card to achieve stability with a Focusrite audio interface that i used to use).

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    Re:Help with Dropouts 2011/09/01 15:13:38 (permalink)
    Even if the OP was coarse and undiplomatic, it doesn't mean his gripe isn't legit. We should first determine whether or not the only variable was the installation of X1c before we start bringing up chipsets and buffer sizes. This is not the first report of dropouts under X1c in projects that did not have dropouts under previous versions.


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    Re:Help with Dropouts 2011/09/01 16:36:12 (permalink)
       "...Go step-by-step eliminating variables... and ultimately you'll find the culprit.
    Make sure to check the RME/drivers/FW controller... "

    Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth....




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    Re:Help with Dropouts 2011/09/01 17:07:02 (permalink)
    Wow, I just had a drop-out changing the track colour.. that's a first


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    Re:Help with Dropouts 2011/09/01 17:42:25 (permalink)
    bios tweeks... hay! some of the posts are quite funny, but right on
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    Re:Help with Dropouts 2011/09/05 12:07:57 (permalink)
    Okay guys, I get it, and I am sorry for how I came off. It was late, I was angry, and I originlly only intended to post what had happened, not ask for help, and I certainly was not speaking of fellow forum members when I said I better hear something fast. I meant some kind of quick and dirty hotfix that could fix the problem. But by the time I got to the PC I post from I was pretty mad, and things did not come out right. Please, accept my blushing apology... I was not having any problems at all with B, about to finish tracking for a song, then boom, the screen just kind of dims like it is going to crash, your life flashes before your eyes, then after about a minute, it comes back. I had never experienced anything like this before I installed C. It's like the engine stopped, but different, like the whole program temporarily locks up.

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    Re:Help with Dropouts 2011/09/05 18:30:47 (permalink)
    I too am unfortunately getting lots of audio dropouts since updating to X1c. I know it is the update and not the computer/soundcard. Everything was perfect before and nothing has been changed with the computer before or after.
    I have just learned tonight that I can not export a project to a song because the audio dropout box appears and the project just keeps playing with nothing happening. Very very frustrating now. Cakewalk are trying to help but no solutions yet.

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    Re:Help with Dropouts 2011/09/05 18:57:12 (permalink)
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    I had never experienced anything like this before I installed C. 

    so can you not roll back to XIb?

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    Re:Help with Dropouts 2011/09/05 20:55:02 (permalink)
    Add me to the list.. I am also getting frequent dropouts since X1C, nothing else has changed.. Need to find time to roll back to X1B...

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    Re:Help with Dropouts 2011/09/05 21:07:50 (permalink)
    why would you get drop outs .. i updated and dont get any !!!
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    Re:Help with Dropouts 2011/09/09 06:43:59 (permalink)
    I found that I have had the Midi buffer setting at 256 samples and was working fine until X1B. I had the dropouts once I went to C. I changed the buffer to 512 samples and have not seen the dropouts yet - most probably this was the issue.
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    Re:Help with Dropouts 2011/09/10 16:30:49 (permalink)
    to the OP:
     
    are you running Perfect Space in those projects? The reason I ask is because I have several projects with multiple instances of PS that ran fine in X1B, but those same projects would not play without drop outs in X1C. After I disabled all but one or two instances of PS there were no more drop outs.
     
    Don't know if this applies in your case but I do know for a fact that X1C does not like multiple instances of PS, at least on my machine.
     
     

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