pathos
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Help with Midi/ Piano Roll
Piano roll seems to function totally differently now than 8.5. I used to be able to insert a midi note by clicking on one already there, then clicking where I wanted the note to be. Then the same duration & velocity would be written in..How or can I do that in X1? Also I used to be able to use process midi effects (velocity etc..) Can't get that to work in selecting midi in clips pane either. Help please! thanks
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pathos
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Re:Help with Midi/ Piano Roll
2010/12/10 15:07:59
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Plus where's audio scrub & all those features?
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Re:Help with Midi/ Piano Roll
2010/12/10 15:36:11
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The HELP file says
"You add notes in the Piano Roll view or Inline Piano Roll view by first choosing a note duration in the Control Bar’s Tools module and then clicking in the view with the Smart tool or Freehand tool at the pitch location and time location where you want the note to go"
Works for the DRAW tool but I can't get it to work with the Smart tool for NEW notes.
Smart tool seems to work fine on existing notes
Fred
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Re:Help with Midi/ Piano Roll
2010/12/10 15:46:29
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pathos
Plus where's audio scrub & all those features?
I typed "audio scrub" in the Help Search window, got the info that the tool changes to Scrub with the keybinding of "J." --And you apparently need to go back to the tool menu to change back to another tool. Randy B.
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Re:Help with Midi/ Piano Roll
2010/12/10 16:51:37
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rbowser
pathos
Plus where's audio scrub & all those features?
I typed "audio scrub" in the Help Search window, got the info that the tool changes to Scrub with the keybinding of "J." --And you apparently need to go back to the tool menu to change back to another tool.
Randy B.
Thanks, Got it, hold 'j'. Added: I just noticed that when I went to track view scrub engaged too. The only problem is after that I went back to PRV & now it doesn't work although the scrub icon ( speaker) is appearing! Too many shortcut keys to learn with this version, I need an extra hand too! Thanks for your help.
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Re:Help with Midi/ Piano Roll
2010/12/10 17:01:04
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Fred Holmes
The HELP file says
"You add notes in the Piano Roll view or Inline Piano Roll view by first choosing a note duration in the Control Bar’s Tools module and then clicking in the view with the Smart tool or Freehand tool at the pitch location and time location where you want the note to go"
Works for the DRAW tool but I can't get it to work with the Smart tool for NEW notes.
Smart tool seems to work fine on existing notes
Fred
Thanks Fred, I've tried it that way but it's a bit counter productive as before. It involves twice as many steps & all that bouncing back & forth to the control bar ruins it for me.
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Re:Help with Midi/ Piano Roll
2010/12/10 17:05:13
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To draw noted in the PRV with the Smart Tool hold the Alt key and click. Or use the Middle Mouse Button to pull up the Tools HUD and choose whatever tool you want.
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Re:Help with Midi/ Piano Roll
2010/12/10 17:31:02
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Seth,
I know 't' opens the Tools HUD but now you have to enter the durations manually. What about the way it's always worked- clicking on any note & it's velocity & duration is copied & is inserted automatically when touching the pane.
Is that not possible now?
Thanks
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Re:Help with Midi/ Piano Roll
2010/12/10 17:43:49
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Unfortunately the "remember last note length" is gone. I agree that it should still be in there and I'll do what I can to get it back. Sorry for the inconvenience.
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Re:Help with Midi/ Piano Roll
2010/12/10 17:45:42
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Seth,
PLEASE DO, I'd appreciate it.
Thanks
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Re:Help with Midi/ Piano Roll
2010/12/10 17:51:30
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+1 So far I have found the piano roll much more cumbersome to deal with. I think it could be a great start with the "smart" tool idea but it takes 2x more clicks to do stuff now.
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Re:Help with Midi/ Piano Roll
2010/12/10 20:24:56
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You're in an amazing state. So stay there.
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Re:Help with Midi/ Piano Roll
2010/12/18 05:04:10
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I just got around to install X1 and - as I work mainly with MIDI - this was the first oddity I noticed. At first I thought that this was a bug, but then I found this thread. Yes, "remember last note length" must be reinstated!
Also, Smart Tool "mute" in PRV (SHIFT + Right Click) doesn't seem to work. It erases the note rather than muting it. Maybe this is a known bug...?
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Re:Help with Midi/ Piano Roll
2010/12/18 09:18:47
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+1. I agree it now takes me twice as long to program in X1 than it does in 8.5.3. The workflow may have be enhanced in other views but not foe me in the piano roll.
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Re:Help with Midi/ Piano Roll
2010/12/18 09:24:41
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Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk
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Unfortunately the "remember last note length" is gone. I agree that it should still be in there and I'll do what I can to get it back. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Thank you!
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Re:Help with Midi/ Piano Roll
2010/12/18 11:00:35
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pathos
Seth,
PLEASE DO, I'd appreciate it.
Thanks
+11111, yeah, it is more than needed! :)
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Re:Help with Midi/ Piano Roll
2010/12/18 11:11:31
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mrkite
I just got around to install X1 and - as I work mainly with MIDI - this was the first oddity I noticed. At first I thought that this was a bug, but then I found this thread. Yes, "remember last note length" must be reinstated!
Also, Smart Tool "mute" in PRV (SHIFT + Right Click) doesn't seem to work. It erases the note rather than muting it. Maybe this is a known bug...?
ALT + right click mutes the note.
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Re:Help with Midi/ Piano Roll
2010/12/18 11:17:39
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I would appreciate the right click for additional options (just like it was in 8.5) and CTRL + right click for Erase tool. I use the options more often than erasing notes, so having it accessible without a hot key makes more sense to me. And if someone in CW thinks CTRL+right click for pop up menu is more convenient, they can give us an option to choose what behavior we want when right clicking in PRV. Just like they gave us the option to choose what a double-click does in TV.
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Re:Help with Midi/ Piano Roll
2011/04/14 11:42:59
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Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk
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Unfortunately the "remember last note length" is gone. I agree that it should still be in there and I'll do what I can to get it back. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Seth, Any word on this/ possible for the next update?
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Re:Help with Midi/ Piano Roll
2011/04/14 11:56:14
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I think when they do get around to implementing this, it should be an option in the note length box contained in the HUD.
There are options already there for "Whole Note", "Quarter Note" etc, just add another option to read "Same as Previous Note"
I think the coding behind this should be fairly simple. Whenever a note of ANY length is entered, write it to a variable which then attaches to the new option button.
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Re:Help with Midi/ Piano Roll
2011/04/14 12:11:35
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"Remember last note length" should definitely not have been dropped. Note length editing is more primitive now. It was an odd step-backwards in the programming.
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Re:Help with Midi/ Piano Roll
2011/04/14 18:20:07
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Not only is it an aberration that this feature is gone but we should logically be able to draw note lengths directly on the piano roll in one single clickhold-drag-release gesture like every single other sequencer out there. What's the point of being unable to do that to begin with? So we can be different? Been wondering about that for several years. But I really think the mastermind who decided to remove this should be named and shamed. Oh another thing, bit unrelated, but where's the option to move Now Time to the end of pasted content? Never found out how.
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Re:Help with Midi/ Piano Roll
2011/04/14 19:21:07
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pathos
Seth,
I know 't' opens the Tools HUD but now you have to enter the durations manually. What about the way it's always worked- clicking on any note & it's velocity & duration is copied & is inserted automatically when touching the pane.
Is that not possible now?
Thanks
You can do sort of the same by using the Ctrl key and dragging. It will produce a replica note and leave the original intact (even though it appears to dissapear until you release it on the new spot). This is also a great tool for entering the notes for chords. You may also want to consider getting Benstat/Panup's Sonar Plus tools which can put the note values on the menu bar above the PRV (Next to Edit - View ....Tracks) That is much more convenient for me for selecting the notes instead of using the drop down in the HUD.
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Re:Help with Midi/ Piano Roll
2011/04/14 21:55:31
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Thanks Fred, I've tried it that way but it's a bit counter productive as before. It involves twice as many steps & all that bouncing back & forth to the control bar ruins it for me. I can't believe all the shortcut keys to memorize and added keystrokes. It was so simple to do it all with the mouse before, which sat so conveinently beside my Motif xs/controller. In all previous versions of Sonar about the only time that I needed the keyboard was to name a track. What could the people that designed and implemented X1 been thinking !! I will never learn to adapt to this version or any future version of Sonar that uses this metadology. It stinks.
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Re:Help with Midi/ Piano Roll
2011/04/14 22:27:43
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pianodano
I can't believe all the shortcut keys to memorize and added keystrokes. It was so simple to do it all with the mouse before...
It's pretty amazing ain't it Pianodano - It's hard to believe the programmers who came up with this new clunky version of Sonar actually make music. To me X1 looks like a computer geek's wet dream, with everything forcing the user to use both hands, on the computer keyboard, on the mouse -um--what happened to our music keyboards and other instruments? Do look at post #23 which tells you about user Benstat's vast improvement over x1, adding icons for different note values in the PRV among other things. His add-ons do help - but one still has to contend with the "smart tool" which is dumber than the previous smart tool. Hope you have 8.5 to still use. RB
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Re:Help with Midi/ Piano Roll
2011/04/15 05:56:36
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I was going to make a thread requesting an update on the midi stuff, this thread saves time. Seth/Zyler are you able to provide information regarding this please, as many of Cakewalks customers brought into X1 believing midi had not been altered - as the promotion videos gave us no reason to believe it had been altered, yet the functionality isn't exactly well thought out in many users experience. I would like to see in the next free update (X1C?).... -Option to remember last note length/velocity -Separate grid settings for PRV and notation (common sense really, how exactly did this get left out) -Separate value for default note inserted size for PRV and notation Ideally insert value needs to be separate from grid value, like the majority of other sequencers. In notation for example if you want to insert a quarter note on the offbeat, this can be a nuisance. If we had separate grid values and insert values it becomes easier. Also remembering note length is possible as it's just remembering the insert note length from the previous note. Randy, I agree with you on the smart tool functionality. I have trouble believing anyone in Cakewalk actually tried to do a complex orchestral or midi arrangement with the new functionality before release, but there is no point questioning that. I really hope tool customization is brought back into X2 or the next major release - it was such a useful asset in 8.5. I could bare with the lack of customization if necessary, but the lack of proper grid setup and insert note functionality is too much of a deal breaker (especially when it is not advertised). Imagine if companies had to advertise all the changes made, not just the ones convenient to their selling point. Oh well, we can only try to be positive and hope Cakewalk is actually listening.
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Re:Help with Midi/ Piano Roll
2011/04/15 07:39:02
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rbowser
It's pretty amazing ain't it Pianodano - It's hard to believe the programmers who came up with this new clunky version of Sonar actually make music. To me X1 looks like a computer geek's wet dream, with everything forcing the user to use both hands, on the computer keyboard, on the mouse -um--what happened to our music keyboards and other instruments?
Do look at post #23 which tells you about user Benstat's vast improvement over x1, adding icons for different note values in the PRV among other things. His add-ons do help - but one still has to contend with the "smart tool" which is dumber than the previous smart tool.
Hope you have 8.5 to still use.
Thanks for pointing out post 23. It will be a real help to have note value icons on PRV and they must be put back on the staff too. But until they lose that stupid smart tool HUD lame brain thingy, I will stay with 8.5 and just hang around to whine and put in my 2c worth. That is about all the satisfaction I think I am gonna get out of X1.
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Re:Help with Midi/ Piano Roll
2011/08/13 09:00:35
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Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk
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Unfortunately the "remember last note length" is gone. I agree that it should still be in there and I'll do what I can to get it back. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Seth, did you have any luck getting this previous feature back & included in X1c?
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Re:Help with Midi/ Piano Roll
2011/08/13 09:28:04
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Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk
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Unfortunately the "remember last note length" is gone. I agree that it should still be in there and I'll do what I can to get it back. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Seth, did you have any luck getting this previous feature back & included in X1c?
Yes it is. See HERE for more details
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Re:Help with Midi/ Piano Roll
2011/08/13 10:26:11
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See it, thanks.
It'll be nice having this feature back.
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