Help with recording a keyboard in please.

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2010/07/11 04:15:32 (permalink)

Help with recording a keyboard in please.

Is it possible to do this and hear it through my PC headphones, by using the usb out of the Roland SH201 to the usb in of the PC. Or do I need to adapt a cable and plug it into the sound card. MC can see the SH201 vst editor. The soundcard is a creative xfi extreme gamer. I can use the 201 as a midi controller, but it would be nice to get some of the sounds recorded into MC Thanks.
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    Re:Help with recording a keyboard in please. 2010/07/11 05:28:16 (permalink)
    Brief reading from the Roland SH201 states that with its USB connectivity, both MIDI data AND audio can be transfered to a pc.

    That's independent of the sound card....So try it!

    You shouldn't need any adapter cables or MIDI adapters...Just ONE single USB cable from your Roland to the PC..You'd need to install the Roland drivers, and those likely wouldn't work with MIDI adapters or cables, though...So USB connection should be your best approach.
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    Re:Help with recording a keyboard in please. 2010/07/11 06:19:20 (permalink)
    Yes it works. I just needed to connect my headphones to the Roland instead of the PC. I never thought that I would be able to hear the MC that way.
    Actually if it works that way then maybe it should also go the other way, through my PC headset.
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    Re:Help with recording a keyboard in please. 2010/07/11 08:51:21 (permalink)
    you should be able to hear and record at the same time,.... full duplex..... with your soundcard. All of the dedicated music interfaces do allow that. It's the factory and other non-music specific cards that might give some problems......
    glad yours works OK.
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    Re:Help with recording a keyboard in please. 2010/07/11 09:38:52 (permalink)
    I just think that there is a setting I am not seeing that will not let me play in and listen with my headset plugged into my PC rather than the keyboard. But it is Sunday. Lunch is eaten wine drunk and Formula1 just finished. I will dabble later.
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    Re:Help with recording a keyboard in please. 2010/07/11 09:52:44 (permalink)
    soundcard = creative soundblaster
    therefore to do what you want to do, you need to change your soundblaster settings to 'WHAT YOU HEAR"
    however that will cause other problems when you start to record - you'll record all the backing tracks at the same time.

    ok - after looking at the specs of your sh201, it says it sends audio thru the usb cable, but then it says it doesn't.  marketing.  what it does is send MIDI thru the cable and then they supply you with a VSTi (softsynth) which is used to make the sounds of your keyboard triggered by MIDI.

    so what you need to do is insert that SH201 softsynth into MC and then set up a MIDI track with the output to the SH201 softsynth, THEN you will be able to hear the keyboard as you record it from the software.

    depending on your latency settings, however, there may be a delay between when you press a key on the keyboard and when you hear it from the SB output.

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    Re:Help with recording a keyboard in please. 2010/07/11 10:56:38 (permalink)
    Sadly Roland muddled up there too sort of. The supplied VST editor is just that an editor and not a softsynth. It does not have any sounds of its own and is just used to control the 201. You can edit extra parameters with it that cannot be reached from the hardware interface. Putting the headphones in the 201 instead of the PC,  I can hear the MC5 drum tracks being played, I can play in and record and hear playback of the 201 too so its all good really.
    Well that is what seems to be happening
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    Re:Help with recording a keyboard in please. 2010/07/11 11:09:22 (permalink)
    well - I'm looking at it again and it says "both MIDI and AUDIO can be routed through the USB"

    if that really is the case, you would have to select it as an audio interface device.  run the wave profiler (in WDM Driver mode) while the sh201 is connected and if it truly does have an audio interface in the USB output, then it will show up as a "soundcard" that you can select directly from the inupts in an audio track.

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    Re:Help with recording a keyboard in please. 2010/07/11 13:34:12 (permalink)
    There is a video on the Roland site and the 201 is indeed referred to as an audio device I have to find audio output and input 11 and 12 wherever they may be. That is for another day.

    http://www.roland.co.uk/p...ls.aspx?p=769&c=83
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    Re:Help with recording a keyboard in please. 2010/07/11 14:57:25 (permalink)
    yeah, as I said, you have to be in WDM driver mode and you have to run the wave profiler while the sh201 is connected via usb.  then it will find the sh201 as a soundcard and you should be able to select those inputs from an audio track.

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    Re:Help with recording a keyboard in please. 2010/07/11 16:12:47 (permalink)
    Thanks for helping I appreciate it. This may help someone else at some time too.
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    Re:Help with recording a keyboard in please. 2010/07/11 19:17:42 (permalink)
    The only way you'd hear sound from your pc headphones jack is when the sound is produced by the sound card.

    That depends on the output of the audio track.

    So, if the sound is being sent to the external audio interface, you wouldn't hear it in the pc's headphone jack, or an audio card's heaphone jack.

    There are other ways to route audio to various places, with utilities or vst hosts, but that's beyond the issue, seems to me.


    But if you are in MME mode, then you could set a duplicate track of the audio and route each to a different output.

    Some of this can depen on the sound card's capabilities too..

    Some creative cards do have various physical outputs, like the 5.1 cards, for instance, so that wouldn't limit it to "What you hear".
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