BenMMusTech
Ok I'm going to sound ungrateful but it's still not what we asked for Craig.

 
It's not what you asked for. Based on the comments in this thread (yours notwithstanding), I've presented solutions that take care of a lot of the reasons for which people want varispeed...including sound design through the use of Dim Pro's less-explored features. For example if someone used only Dim Pro LE and graduated to the full version, they might not even know you can do +/-24 semitone pitch shifting because the LE version can't.
 

I smell something fishy.

 
I've spent the past several hours today, and much of yesterday, sitting in my home studio trying to help fellow users, as well as come up with techniques I can use for my own music and write about for my Sound on Sound column. If that's a conspiracy theory, it's pretty boring.
 

There is overwhelming consensus that we want a vari speed button, big discussion including u.

 
That's your interpretation of the comments; my interpretation is that there is an overwhelming consensus that people want to implement particular functions that can be done with varispeed. There's a difference. Not everyone uses varispeed the way you do. I'd bet most people want to use it to do the pitched vocal overdub or "speed up the mix" functionality, and Sonar does both quite well. Not to mention "Alvin and the Chipmunks" imitations...
 

Then by magic Cakewalks troubleshooter on the forum comes along and says here you go.

 
I am not a Cakewalk employee.
 
I try to be a troubleshooter for the community, as do many other people here, and uphold its reputation as a place where users help other users to get the most out of their software and have an enjoyable experience making music. I have been doing this for over a decade.
 

Discussion gets bumped and we start talking about these techniques that have been a part of sonar all along it's just we aren't smart enough to know they were there all along.

 
You're the one saying people aren't smart enough, not me. People see something called "loop construction window" and they think it's for loop construction. That's not being stupid, that's knowing how to read. I've gotten into the Loop Construction window in depth, I've presented what I've learned, and I hope the people reading what I've presented will be able to use it to good effect in their music. Frankly, a lot of what I wrote about I didn't know until yesterday. But, I couldn't resist the challenge of seeing if there were ways to do what people wanted.
 
Just because scook and FBB give tips I don't know about doesn't mean they think I'm stupid. At least I don't think they do... 

Let Cakewalk do something useful is your argument and yours. But what could be more useful?

 
I can't tell you what's planned for Sonar X4 but IMHO I would consider what's being discussed as being more relevant to more people than a single varispeed knob, many (if not most) of whose most popular functions can be done in Sonar with a little effort.
 

Sonar is almost perfect apart from Vari speed and what would be nice is some jam over LAN and Internet facility.

 
There are latency issues with real-time internet jamming that no one has solved yet, although many have tried. I don't foresee that being solved any time soon but would love to be proven wrong about this.
 

What Sonar doesn't need is more plugs or another GUI update....the tape sim is not brilliant it's alright but not brilliant I suspect it's the same code from the original tape sim plug with some fancy new clothes.

 
It's not, it's made by an entirely different company. The marquee features in X3 - ARA integration and Melodyne, VST3 support, Addictive Drums, EQ spectrum analyzer flyout, and comping - have been extremely well-received by the majority of users. Not all updates will be relevant to all people.

I keep quiet these days let the fools eat their dry bread thinking it is Cake I say!

 
I do not agree that the people on these forums are fools.

What I see here Craig and I told Noël I'm a keen observer and student of Politics. I also spend my days at present in the library researching the history of Sonic Arts which is what we are all participating in via Sonar. I know when I'm being sold dry bread and water. I know that u are Cakewalks flim flam man. I know you are a nice person I know you are highly knowledgable and therefore everybody respects you and goes wow when u speak. U deserve that but I also know a card trick when I see one too!!

 
I spent a lot of time QCing these techniques to make sure they'd work and people could use them. Tell me what I've presented that doesn't work, and doesn't provide solutions for specific functions that people want to be able to do with Sonar. Then you can say it's a trick.

I've also learnt a trick or too, too! I now know not to insult u but to point out the flaws in your arguments and to play nice. I'm going to be howled down for saying my piece and speaking my mind. But fools don't like being told their fools and being tricked by smoke and mirrors. I've spent too long in institutional learning though and it is my obligation to point out you know what your being played.

 
I'd prefer that your obligation be to recognize the reality of the situation. If you want to ascribe dark motives to my actions you're entitled to your own opinion. However, the reality is really quite simple:
 

• Sonar does not have a dedicated varispeed function, yet based on a thread started in this forum, it seemed a significant number of people wanted functions obtainable with varispeed.
• I have presented solutions for how most of these functions can be implemented with Sonar's existing tools. People don't have to wait for some update or transfer files to other programs, they can now obtain these functions in Sonar if they didn't know how to before.

 
It really is that simple.

Anderton

BenMMusTech
Ok I'm going to sound ungrateful but it's still not what we asked for Craig.

 
It's not what you asked for. Based on the comments in this thread (yours notwithstanding), I've presented solutions that take care of a lot of the reasons for which people want varispeed...including sound design through the use of Dim Pro's less-explored features. For example if someone used only Dim Pro LE and graduated to the full version, they might not even know you can do +/-24 semitone pitch shifting because the LE version can't.
 

I smell something fishy.

 
I've spent the past several hours today, and much of yesterday, sitting in my home studio trying to help fellow users, as well as come up with techniques I can use for my own music and write about for my Sound on Sound column. If that's a conspiracy theory, it's pretty boring.
 

There is overwhelming consensus that we want a vari speed button, big discussion including u.

 
That's your interpretation of the comments; my interpretation is that there is an overwhelming consensus that people want to implement particular functions that can be done with varispeed. There's a difference. Not everyone uses varispeed the way you do. I'd bet most people want to use it to do the pitched vocal overdub or "speed up the mix" functionality, and Sonar does both quite well. Not to mention "Alvin and the Chipmunks" imitations...
 

Then by magic Cakewalks troubleshooter on the forum comes along and says here you go.

 
I am not a Cakewalk employee.
 
I try to be a troubleshooter for the community, as do many other people here, and uphold its reputation as a place where users help other users to get the most out of their software and have an enjoyable experience making music. I have been doing this for over a decade.
 

Discussion gets bumped and we start talking about these techniques that have been a part of sonar all along it's just we aren't smart enough to know they were there all along.

 
You're the one saying people aren't smart enough, not me. People see something called "loop construction window" and they think it's for loop construction. That's not being stupid, that's knowing how to read. I've gotten into the Loop Construction window in depth, I've presented what I've learned, and I hope the people reading what I've presented will be able to use it to good effect in their music. Frankly, a lot of what I wrote about I didn't know until yesterday. But, I couldn't resist the challenge of seeing if there were ways to do what people wanted.
 
Just because scook and FBB give tips I don't know about doesn't mean they think I'm stupid. At least I don't think they do... 

Let Cakewalk do something useful is your argument and yours. But what could be more useful?

 
I can't tell you what's planned for Sonar X4 but IMHO I would consider what's being discussed as being more relevant to more people than a single varispeed knob, many (if not most) of whose most popular functions can be done in Sonar with a little effort.
 

Sonar is almost perfect apart from Vari speed and what would be nice is some jam over LAN and Internet facility.

 
There are latency issues with real-time internet jamming that no one has solved yet, although many have tried. I don't foresee that being solved any time soon but would love to be proven wrong about this.
 

What Sonar doesn't need is more plugs or another GUI update....the tape sim is not brilliant it's alright but not brilliant I suspect it's the same code from the original tape sim plug with some fancy new clothes.

 
It's not, it's made by an entirely different company. The marquee features in X3 - ARA integration and Melodyne, VST3 support, Addictive Drums, EQ spectrum analyzer flyout, and comping - have been extremely well-received by the majority of users. Not all updates will be relevant to all people.

I keep quiet these days let the fools eat their dry bread thinking it is Cake I say!

 
I do not agree that the people on these forums are fools.

What I see here Craig and I told Noël I'm a keen observer and student of Politics. I also spend my days at present in the library researching the history of Sonic Arts which is what we are all participating in via Sonar. I know when I'm being sold dry bread and water. I know that u are Cakewalks flim flam man. I know you are a nice person I know you are highly knowledgable and therefore everybody respects you and goes wow when u speak. U deserve that but I also know a card trick when I see one too!!

 
I spent a lot of time QCing these techniques to make sure they'd work and people could use them. Tell me what I've presented that doesn't work, and doesn't provide solutions for specific functions that people want to be able to do with Sonar. Then you can say it's a trick.

I've also learnt a trick or too, too! I now know not to insult u but to point out the flaws in your arguments and to play nice. I'm going to be howled down for saying my piece and speaking my mind. But fools don't like being told their fools and being tricked by smoke and mirrors. I've spent too long in institutional learning though and it is my obligation to point out you know what your being played.

 
I'd prefer that your obligation be to recognize the reality of the situation. If you want to ascribe dark motives to my actions you're entitled to your own opinion. However, the reality is really quite simple:
 

• Sonar does not have a dedicated varispeed function, yet based on a thread started in this forum, it seemed a significant number of people wanted functions obtainable with varispeed.
• I have presented solutions for how most of these functions can be implemented with Sonar's existing tools. People don't have to wait for some update or transfer files to other programs, they can now obtain these functions in Sonar if they didn't know how to before.

 
It really is that simple.

My point Craig is everyone has an agenda, mine is vari speed and next LAN and Internet jamming.  I want innovation, I'm an innovator, most will call me a self-serving over educated twat who has an inflated ego and overbearing opinion of their own merge talent LOL, you see what I did there?  I can look at everyone's opinion and asses, then sum those ideas together.  Then I can analyse and paraphrase those ideas.  And somewhere in the middle is the truth.  It is always in the middle that we find ourselves, and the truth is nothing more than a self-serving opinion.
 
Cakewalk want's to be an innovative product, then it needs to push these two ideas that I am proposing.  Not give us more of the same.  Sure Addictive Drums look nice, I haven't had a use for them yet, I will sooner or later.  The Quad EQ sounds good too.  The rest of the enhancements are nickel and dime stuff.
 
Cakewalk has been very innovative with the introduction of the Pro Channel stuff, the SSL, 1176 emulators are very musical ie: very useable. With some enhancements I think the tape sim can also be a winner.  Lets see it expanded, so it can be used as a tape delay, lets see it expanded so it can accommodate my vari speed, lets see it expanded so it can be used as a Frippertronics effect.  What I don't want is what it is now, the old tape sim plug dressed in new clothes.
 
Again, I am a big advocate of Sonar, and I am moving up in the world.  I'm at one of the best conservatorium's here in Oz (Honours, next year fingers crossed PHD).  If fact if you believe the blurb and I do, it is the top music research faculty in Oz and in fact has the biggest music library in the southern hemisphere.  So when I talk to my supervisors about Sonar their ears prick up and they start to question why is Ben advocating Sonar to the point he is?  I use Pro Tools, it's the industry standard, I use Live because it really is good at live lol, and on it goes. 
 
I advocate this program because I have used every program in the book apart from Live, although I have looked at Live and it look like someone had puked and I was suppose to mix and make music in puke. LOL.  Nothing comes close to having a feeling of a mixing desk in a studio.  It's why I have stuck with it plus the other factors I have already mentioned.
 
I'm going to have to look at Bitwig because it says it has perfected LAN jamming and there is a way maybe not in real time to work over the internet on projects.  Very handy if you want to beam concrete sounds for live performance's. 
 
If I can move up in the academic world, which is the plan.  I will be advocating a revolution here in Oz, I may not be able to take Pro Fools out but I think we can convince academics that Sonar is the best music production software for actual composition.  But only if we can keep up with the competitors.  
 
This means, Sonar needs to fix the matrix view (although I haven't had a chance to look at in X3, but it still needs some of Live's, time stretching enhancements and a DJ style AB listening function.  LAN and internet jamming and most importantly A BIG RED VARI SPEED BUTTON!  It's a shame that Cake missed the boat when Notion was snapped up by Presonus.  But I suppose this is what happens when a company is software only and does not have the resources to bid.
 
Again Craig, your obviously a nice guy doing your best to help, but don't tell me you don't have an agenda and I work at Gibson, not Cakewalk.  The companies are married now.  One company doesn't have to worry about it's junior partner (it isn't Gibsons bread and butter) but the junior partner is just that junior.  You have more power than you let on.  This is your baby.  Your name is everywhere on this forum. Again, I am only reporting what I observe.
 
Cheers Ben
 
Oh I forgot touch screen implementation.  I'm getting use to this, it's still in it's infancy but it eliminates all this Ipad controller stuff.

@BenMMusTech
 
As an academic myself, I would strongly advise you to ask your supervisor/tutor to read your comments on/contributions to this thread, before posting again.
 
He/she may well be able to offer you some constructive criticism/support.

My point Craig is everyone has an agenda, mine is vari speed and next LAN and Internet jamming. I want innovation, I'm an innovator, most will call me a self-serving over educated twat who has an inflated ego and overbearing opinion of their own merge talent LOL, you see what I did there? I can look at everyone's opinion and asses, then sum those ideas together. Then I can analyse and paraphrase those ideas. And somewhere in the middle is the truth. It is always in the middle that we find ourselves, and the truth is nothing more than a self-serving opinion.

You do have a high opinion of yourself that has always been clear. You appear to be a student not an academic as you claim. Further your grammar is suspect. You use "know" for the word no. You use "your" which is "belonging to" instead of you're meaning "you are".  You also claim to be a politician. Are you in some sort of elected office? If not you may aspire to being a politician but at present you are not. 
 
There is nothing wrong in asking for a feature. I support most feature requests posted on this forum even if I have no real use for it. Why? Because its important for members to support one another when ever possible. Mr. Anderton has been on this forum as long as I have. long before he became employed by Gibson.  To my knowledge he has never worked for Cakewalk.  Yet he has made a living authoring articles about Sonar for many years. I know him as an author first a musician second and a very good friend to this forum.  
 
Other can testify to his helpfulness over the years. What is clear is he helps you complain. 
 
If anyone has an agenda it is you sir. Though its difficult to flesh it out it is not impossible. At present I don't know for sure  what it is but I suspect some things.
 
 
   

The fact that you wont edit your posts before posting shows little respect for those that read them. I consider the people on this forum deserve the best I can do in posting. It is a communication that I want others to fully understand and not trip over my poor grammar. Though I am not perfect in this regard, but then, I don't call myself an academic either. 
 
You need to stop with this and simply submit a feature request and get others to do the same. This will be far more effective then trying to make a battle you can't win.  Although you may not like what Mr. Anderton has offered I'm sure others are very appreciative of what he is doing. I sure am.     

I think Craig has done a pretty OK job in coming up with solutions to the concept of varispeed. Does it matter too much how you get there as long as you get there.
 
I just want to mention that in Studio One this process is also quite easy too and that Craig's ideas have inspired me to investigate the process in another DAW.  I am only mentioning this because I am sure that the same principle can be applied in Sonar as well.
 
Vari speeding an entire mix in Studio One can be achieved by firstly bouncing the entire mix. That file can be sent to Sample One with one mouse click. An instance of Sample One gets created and the whole mix ends up on the C3 note. Playing that note triggers the enitre mix back as one would expect. Playing any other note transposes the mix and alters its length as per a real tape machine. (Smooth) pitch bending can now be applied up to two octaves above or below. Some quite incredible effects can be obtained this way.
 
A mix could be played back on Bb3 for example which means it is now 2 semitones down. (and longer) Parts can also be recorded along with this new mix. The parts can also be easily transposed up 2 semitones the same way using Sample One. Single audio clips can be processed the same way too. The cool thing about the sampler concept is the precise nature of playing a mix or a part back an exact semitone (or several) shift at a time.
 
I am only mentioning this because it seems to me to be a very good way to go about it. ie the sampler concept. So I am guessing the same applies in terms of Sonar and Dimension Pro/Rapture etc..I also have an EMU hardware sampler from the good ol days and still love and use it. It does all this too rather easily but now we have the same processes available inside our DAW's
 
BTW Craig did you write the original manuals for EMU samplers. Because I have had many of them (and still do, only one now a fully optioned E5000) and I have always found the manuals to be very very very well written. I heard at one point you may have been responsible for that. Because if you did thanks so much for making such an amazing complex machine so damn easy to use!

Jeff Evans
I think Craig has done a pretty OK job in coming up with solutions to the concept of varispeed. Does it matter too much how you get there as long as you get there.
 
I just want to mention that in Studio One this process is also quite easy too and that Craig's ideas have inspired me to investigate the process in another DAW.  I am only mentioning this because I am sure that the same principle can be applied in Sonar as well.
 
Vari speeding an entire mix in Studio One can be achieved by firstly bouncing the entire mix. That file can be sent to Sample One with one mouse click. An instance of Sample One gets created and the whole mix ends up on the C3 note. Playing that note triggers the enitre mix back as one would expect. Playing any other note transposes the mix and alters its length as per a real tape machine. (Smooth) pitch bending can now be applied up to two octaves above or below. Some quite incredible effects can be obtained this way.
 
A mix could be played back on Bb3 for example which means it is now 2 semitones down. (and longer) Parts can also be recorded along with this new mix. The parts can also be easily transposed up 2 semitones the same way using Sample One. Single audio clips can be processed the same way too. The cool thing about the sampler concept is the precise nature of playing a mix or a part back an exact semitone (or several) shift at a time.
 
I am only mentioning this because it seems to me to be a very good way to go about it. ie the sampler concept. So I am guessing the same applies in terms of Sonar and Dimension Pro/Rapture etc..I also have an EMU hardware sampler from the good ol days and still love and use it. It does all this too rather easily but now we have the same processes available inside our DAW's
 
BTW Craig did you write the original manuals for EMU samplers. Because I have had many of them (and still do, only one now a fully optioned E5000) and I have always found the manuals to be very very very well written. I heard at one point you may have been responsible for that. Because if you did thanks so much for making such an amazing complex machine so damn easy to use!

Hi Jeff, in all fairness it is not!  You of all people should understand what I am up to in regards to this.  I want a simple solution ala The Beatles.  It is an important technique in our sonic arsenal which because of our DAW's we lost.  Now we can regain this important "tape" effect.  It has so many uses, which are too numerous to mention. 
 
Ok back to researching Auto-Destruct Rock, which I think the music industry today needs a good dose of today, in fact I am designing an audio sculpture at the moment-to destroy as my own at attempt!! :)
 
Ben 

BenMMusTech
My beef isn't with you Craig, it is that you are leading people down the garden path with a false solution.  Just remember with great power comes great responsibility ;).

 
You referred to the other members of this forum as "fools," and me as a "flam-flam man." You dismissed the QCed, practical procedures I worked on for hours over a weekend, and that DO provide solutions, as "smoke and mirrors" and "tricks." You implied underhandedness by saying you "smelled something fishy" and how you "connected the dots" because "something is going on." You say I'm doing an "advertisement" but you want the "truth," and that I'm "leading people down the garden path" with what you consider a "false solution." (Oddly, they all work here.)
 
There was already a thread about people wanting varispeed. This was a complement to that thread, and its intention was not to provide another place where you could continue pushing a personal agenda. Yet you have selfishly hijacked a thread designed to help people accomplish specific tasks using tools they already have. In the process, you have insulted the people in this forum, myself, and contributed nothing of substance which might benefit others, other than that you seem to feel (if I've deciphered your comments accurately) that transferring a file into Reaper and back into Sonar is superior to transferring a file into Dimension Pro and back into Sonar, or using the loop construction window for a purpose that has nothing to do with loops.
 
Part of my "great responsibility" involves helping people obtain the results they want to obtain and make the music they want to make. I obviously take that responsibility seriously. You appear so self-consumed with your own needs you seem unaware that others have needs as well; just because their needs are different from yours doesn't make them any less important or worthy of my trying to find solutions for them.
 
As I stated before, the reality is quite simple:

• Sonar does not have a dedicated varispeed function, yet based on a thread started in this forum, it seemed a significant number of people wanted functions obtainable with varispeed.
• I have presented solutions for how most of these functions can be implemented with Sonar's existing tools. People don't have to wait for some update or transfer files to other programs, they can now obtain these functions in Sonar if they didn't know how to before.

And that's the truth.
 
However, I will admit I smell something fishy too. That's because I haven't taken the garbage out yet, and I had cod for dinner.

 
You appear so self-consumed with your own needs you seem unaware that others have needs as well;




Well Craig you are right there, I'm a trainee academic but first and foremost I am a mad, bad and dangerous to know artist to quote Byron!!
 
All I care about at the moment within a tiny sphere and slither of my world is what I am reading, researching, writing and creating.  Humans and their limitations get in the way and bore me.
 
You say I hijacked this thread, you hijacked mine with this thread (and again your work around is not what we asked for!).  Yes I know there is a feature request form but here we are talking about it, not writing out a form where it will be filed in the never, never and the way off land of maybe.  
 
And I never called everyone on this forum a fool, lets just clear that up.  That is slander, hyperbole and just not true.  I called everyone who went yea thank you Craig for what you offered as a "solution" a fool lol!!
 
It has been again, clear what you offered as a "solution" people like myself already knew existed.
 
Steve, there is many types of effective politician, I'm happy to play the fool!!  At least we are talking about it, and we haven't blithely accepted Craig's musings.  I've gone in the great Oliver tradition "please sir can I have some more?" ;)
 
Ben 

Jeff Evans
I have still got a few tape machines including a high speed Revox B77 half track machine with a modified varispeed control. (I can varispeed from about 30 IPS down to about 3 3/4 IPS in one smooth motion now with a ten turn pot!) So I can actually transfer stuff to the tape machine and back etc. I just feel the sampler approach in either my Emulator, Studio One's Sample One or both instruments in Sonar should also accomplish a very similar effect. It seems to me to be the closest thing to the tape machine in terms of getting that sound.
 
1  Changing pitch of an entire mix down or up in semitone steps. ie playing back a mix at different transpositions using the sampler functions by playing different notes
 
2  Using the pitch wheel to create smooth sounding bending effects in either direction.
 
3  I am sure using Craig's other approaches are right in the ball park too.
 
Maybe if you try all these approaches you might come away feeling pretty happy that a great varispeed effect can be created.

Nope Jeff, have you tried Reapers Vari speed?? It's a slider and I suspect just like the real thing in implementation.  Rather than pissing around with loops and placing things in samplers, just detune or speed something up, ala The Beatles.  I've used it for vocals, rather than going to the loop window making stereo mixes, you just go you know what I cant sing that high, I might need to play around with the pitch until I get it to the point I can sing it. Simple.  Come on Jeff, we have a lot more in common or a least I used to think so.  Me thinks you may have been talking to Mark!!!  I say stuff all the time without thinking.  I live in my own world (my brain works on a totally different plain and I thought we had worked that out), of art and art is life.
 
Back to Gustav Metzager and blowing **** up in the name of art, out death and kaos come rebirth.  I think is the phrase!!
 
Ben 

Hey Ben, chill out man.  Craig was only trying to be helpful.  Can't you see that just because his solutions don't match your idea of a solution, it doesn't stop it being a solution?  I certainly learned of some uses for Dimension Pro that I'd never considered before.
 
I don't know you from a bar of soap, but you're coming across as a fully inflated ego-maniac with poor people skills and academic tunnel vision, which kinda runs against my experience of this (mainly) friendly and helpful forum.  And having a higher degree myself, you're giving that whole educational process a bad name by implying that it somehow makes you more enlightened than anyone else.
 
But that's just how I'm seeing it.  You can blow me up with Gustav Metzager if it makes you feel better.

OBHave
Hey Ben, chill out man.  Craig was only trying to be helpful.  Can't you see that just because his solutions don't match your idea of a solution, it doesn't stop it being a solution?  I certainly learned of some uses for Dimension Pro that I'd never considered before.
 
I don't know you from a bar of soap, but you're coming across as a fully inflated ego-maniac with poor people skills and academic tunnel vision, which kinda runs against my experience of this (mainly) friendly and helpful forum.  And having a higher degree myself, you're giving that whole educational process a bad name by implying that it somehow makes you more enlightened than anyone else.
 
But that's just how I'm seeing it.  You can blow me up with Gustav Metzager if it makes you feel better.

I've got Asperger's mate, so it's who I am!! 
 
Ben

BenMMusTech
You say I hijacked this thread, you hijacked mine with this thread (and again your work around is not what we asked for!).

 
Your thread was titled "Vari-Speed - Why Not?" It was a QUESTION, so I provided my answer as to why not: because you can already do most varispeed functions within Sonar, and to back that up, I told how to do those functions. But first, I had to know how people wanted to use varispeed, because you mentioned only one niche application, which was not particularly helpful. Answering a question posed in a thread is not hijacking it. Once I had a handle on what people wanted, I then had the courtesy to start a DIFFERENT thread since I had gone past answering your question and was actually going to do something constructive and practical that related to my answer.
 
And since you still don't get the point, regardless of whether my workarounds are what YOU asked for, they most definitely provided solutions for what other people asked for. Sollipsism much?
 

Yes I know there is a feature request form but here we are talking about it, not writing out a form where it will be filed in the never, never and the way off land of maybe.

 
And where did all the changes and fixes in the FIVE updates that have been released since Sonar's introduction come from? From the Bakers reading the bug report and feature request forms. I really don't know why you choose to make uneducated and negative guesses that you also choose to present as fact, but I'm beginning to realize it's your style.
 
People file feature requests for a reason. If enough people file for a particular request, and it's doable, it gets done. Read the bug fix and enhancements lists. Compare and contrast to the people in the forums who said they had filed a bug report or feature request. You'll learn something.
 

And I never called everyone on this forum a fool, lets just clear that up.  That is slander, hyperbole and just not true.  I called everyone who went yea thank you Craig for what you offered as a "solution" a fool lol!!

 
Allow me to refresh your memory: "I've upgraded to X3 and personally I'm somewhat disappointed. X2 was worth the update the console emulators were worth my bucks but the tape sim is not brilliant it's alright but not brilliant I suspect it's the same code from the original tape sim plug with some fancy new clothes. The Nomad stuff is not good it's just pretty wallpaper. I've heard and used the UAD Pultec and now had a listen to the Nomad one. The UAD one gives a small bump at 100 hz when you place it over the program material and the Nomad one does not. I know which one I prefer.

I keep quiet these days let the fools eat their dry bread thinking it is "Cake" I say! I know I should have stuck with X2 and spent my 99 bucks on the Waves reel ADT which would have been more useful for my uni work than anything in X3."
 
And where is the reference to people thanking me for offering solutions who you are calling fools? Please point it out.
 
Oh, and I realize you like to make up your own definitions for words and your own "facts" so you can justify your opinions, but you were never slandered. Slander is spoken, libel is written. And in light of the above quote, your accusing me of slander is technically libelous.
 

It has been again, clear what you offered as a "solution" people like myself already knew existed.

 
And don't think I don't appreciate your willingness to share your vast knowledge and practical tips! I particularly liked your post in the other thread where you said "Until Sonar implements varispeed, I have some techniques that will let you do artifact-free tape speed variations by using the Loop Construction window in a way that doesn't involve making Groove Clips! In fact, here's how to do this, as well as how to get those cool ABBA varispeed vocal effects. And if you don't have Reaper, you can do some cool things by bringing files into Dimension Pro and warping them over a 96 semitone range! Or even do Alvin and the Chipmunk imitations! That should hold you over until Cakewalk comes to their senses and implements my big important shiny red knob!" And I'm sure I'm not the only one who appreciates your constructive, solutions-oriented approach and sharing of knowledge.
 

Steve, there is many types of effective politician, I'm happy to play the fool!!  At least we are talking about it, and we haven't blithely accepted Craig's musings.

 
We aren't talking about it, it's you complaining about how YOU didn't get what YOU wanted, interspersed with me presenting tips, people thanking me for them, and others like Jeff offering their own tips in a spirit of being constructive and supporting the community. Never mind that other people got what they wanted - which in case you've forgotten, was how to implement a variety of functions normally associated with tape varispeed control.
 
It's also clear don't know what the word "musings" means. Giving people step-by-step instructions does not involve "musings." Look it up.
 
Did it ever occur to you that maybe there's a reason why people are courteous enough to thank me for essentially giving up my weekend to help give them something they want? It's not "religion." It's called being polite - a quality shared by many of the people who frequent this forum. But certainly not all.

mudgel
Ben, I think a form of psychosis, not autism spectrum disorder is your issue. Get some treatment please.

In all fairness your not a shrink I have aspergers if understood the condition u wouldn't be so disparaging. It's diagnosed.

I'm at a workshop. Now better things to do.

Ben.

I can see Ben's point clearly enough, I think it's fair. I don't know the range of uses this effects produces, but a lot of posters seemed keen, and expressed it was quite common on other apps. It seems to be a classic effect/tool, and Sonar has always tried to emulate the past, see tape sims, console emulators etc, so it seems a a reasonable request. Improved work flow has been a part of Sonar's development too, so a simple knob or button seems as streamlined as you can get.
 
Craig is the administrator for this Cakewalk forum, he creates products for Cakewalk products that are sold by cakewalk, he works for the parent company, he has access to company confidential information, which he even you could say 'teases' us with.

Anderton
 I think when I'm done with these they'll take care of what most people need, so then the Bakers can concentrate on the other features planned for future versions. I think if people knew what those features were, they'd say "I can cope with Craig's solutions for varispeed...forget about the varispeed, now get back to working on those other features!!"

     
So is Craig another user, or are those lines a lot more blurred?
 
Those other feature may be exiting to Craig, but if they are not to Ben, then Varispeed is, and it's valid for him to say so.
 
I don't know how hard VariSpeed  is too implement, not a foggiest, or if it's even possible with the way the audio engine has been set up. It does seem Cakewalks position to communicate, and to me it looks a lot like Craig is defending with them. With the blurred lines, I can see why Ben is upset, and questioning Craig's agenda. Creating this thread has bumped the other, and diverted discussion from 'who wants it?'.