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MelodicJimmy
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2017/11/26 05:14:15 (permalink)

Here’s a real thread....

With everything going on, I thought I’d post a thread with a real question.

When it comes to Addictive Drums 2, do you insert as a single MIDI track or do you select multi outputs?

I was telling my friend that I have my projects set up with AD2 as multi outputs and I use the faders in Sonar as opposed to AD2’s interface. He swears you can do all the same stuff - even adding plugins - through the AD2 interface. I don’t see that anywhere.

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    dubdisciple
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    Re: Here’s a real thread.... 2017/11/26 05:37:38 (permalink)
    I know you can mix within AD2 and send single stereo output to DAW. I also know the built in mixer has effects, including parallel compression. Don't recall if it allows third party plugs to route into internal mixer
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    Re: Here’s a real thread.... 2017/11/26 05:38:41 (permalink)
    If he said adding fx I would say yeah but only the ones built in, but adding plugins, not a chance. I usually just use a simple instrument track and built in fx until I feel like the song is worth something and needs to be mixed properly, then I would separate everything as usual.

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    Re: Here’s a real thread.... 2017/11/26 06:25:55 (permalink)
    I use Sonar's mixer, the ProChannel FX, with occasional things like transient designers in the in the FX Bin. I ike my drums in the same space as my mix, so going to the same Reverb Bus. I have a template for this as a starting point, with a clean kit and everything removed in AD2. Best of both worlds is I still get to use some of AD2 tools if I like
     
    I also like creating something in Step Sequencer, then dragging that into AD2 Transform page for Velocity dynamic manipulation and inspiration. Having the console view and the Transform view pen at he same time to balance the velocities and Volumes, while expanding or compressing the velocities and massaging their 8th and 16th accents. It's make choosing a soft drum played loud of a hard drum played soft really easy. Once I have something cool, I can drag it back to PRV for further editing.

     

     
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    Re: Here’s a real thread.... 2017/11/26 08:30:02 (permalink)
    One advantage of using separate outputs is you can freeze those outputs and this gives you stems you can easily import to another Daw. Usefull if the other Daw/PC does not have AD2 license or not the same Ad packs.

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    Re: Here’s a real thread.... 2017/11/26 13:23:46 (permalink)
    I do it both ways depending on my needs. Same with drums in kontakt and play. I prefer having drums on separate tracks in Sonar in general as I can get them into the mix better, but sometimes it isn't necessary or can cause problems.

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    Re: Here’s a real thread.... 2017/11/26 13:42:07 (permalink)
    What I do is setup Addictive Drums to separate tracks, setup my routings (AUX tracks & Buses) , add all my fav FX/Pro Channel stuff, set sidechains and then save the setup as a "Track Template". Next time you create a project that uses AD, just insert your track template and everything magically appears as you set it up. Great feature.
     
    I think Cubase has something like this although I'm not ready to jump ship. 
     
     
     
     

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    Re: Here’s a real thread.... 2017/11/26 13:44:42 (permalink)
    Multiple outputs. I'm a control freak.

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    Re: Here’s a real thread.... 2017/11/26 16:12:10 (permalink)
    Thanks for all the responses! One more question: in AD, which option do you guys choose? Separate pre-fader, with master, etc....

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    Re: Here’s a real thread.... 2017/11/26 16:12:11 (permalink)
    Thanks for all the responses! One more question: in AD, which option do you guys choose? Separate pre-fader, with master, etc....

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    Re: Here’s a real thread.... 2017/11/27 14:57:13 (permalink)
    I've usually gone with separate outs from AD2, but the issue with that is that it messes up presets that are using fx and eq on AD2's master track (same applies with other drum vsts like Superior Drummer, etc.)  Even with the master out on a separate fader in Sonar, then you've got a parallel signal set up (I suspect this is what has caused me some issues with a "flanging" type sound using AD, thinking the plugin delay compensation gets screwed up?). 


    I don't really use presets just as is, but sometimes they are a helpful starting point. If I'm really wanting to do that and also use multi-outs, I just study the preset and try to recreate it in the Sonar mixer.
     
    EDIT: BTW, I was going to post pretty much the same question about drum vsts the other day, but then all hell broke loose!

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    Re: Here’s a real thread.... 2017/11/27 16:13:48 (permalink)
    Normally I use separate outs, pre-fader, and don't use the master outs. Each kit piece, room, and overheads. I have a template set up.

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    Re: Here’s a real thread.... 2017/11/27 16:35:19 (permalink)
    As said above it depends on the song and what it's for. For backing tracks I keep things simple and get by with the GUI mixer. I find the reverb sucks so if it's a actuall recording of a song I multi track it just to get better reverb and control the kick.  I find you have to be very carefull of the Room and Overhead busses as half the sound of AD2 is coming from them.  

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    Re: Here’s a real thread.... 2017/11/27 16:59:22 (permalink)
    dubdisciple
    I know you can mix within AD2 and send single stereo output to DAW. I also know the built in mixer has effects, including parallel compression. Don't recall if it allows third party plugs to route into internal mixer

    Nope. The only Drum Software that I know of that can do this is Platinum Samples' Drum player called Accent. Why all the big boys don't do this is beyond me.

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    Re: Here’s a real thread.... 2017/11/27 17:05:17 (permalink)
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     I find you have to be very carefull of the Room and Overhead busses as half the sound of AD2 is coming from them.  



    Yeah, I noticed the other day a preset for the Blue Oyster kit in which the kick and snare direct mics were completely turned down, everything was in the room and overheads, and a tiny bit to the fx sends. With Superior Drummer 2, I never really liked any of the presets and I always just started with a dry kit and mixed in the Sonar mixer. AD2 is different in that respect, as I don't think the various kits really have "default" presets of just the dry kit pieces. Superior Drummer 3 does include a lot of really good sounding presets, so I'm a bit indecisive about how to best work. Another issue, besides not being able to process individual kit pieces with 3rd party fx, is that I just don't like having to switch to the plugin window while I'm mixing. 

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