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RE: Here's a song!
2005/05/18 00:03:04
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What'd you use for the kit?
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RE: Here's a song!
2005/05/18 01:55:20
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Hey Josh,
Welcome to the forum! You will learn a ton here. You certainly have solid guitar skills, reminded me of a heavier version of Eric Johnson. The mix, however, needs work. I would study and read everything you can on the art and science of mixing and ask questions. The members here will help you out tons. Overall, the mix was muddy and dull. One basic technique that you can do is to eq. I would put a high pass filter on the final mix around 80-100 hz. That should clean up some of the mud, but not all. Did you record the guitars direct? It sounded direct to me. You will achieve a much higher standard of tone if you either: mic your guitar amp or use a pod (or some other amp sim). The tone had an artificial quality to it that detracted from your overall skills. You should also read about instrument placement in the stereo field. The drums sounded almost dead center with the lead guitar panned left. The lead should be center and the drum kit (which I felt was too hot, drum machine right?) should have the kick in the center with the rest spread out over the stereo field. There are other's in this forum (Chaz, Michael, Jonas, Rolo, and a slew of others) who are better suited than I to help you with this. Enjoy the process of learning, it's very cool and rewarding. Hope I didn't offend or overstep my bounds.
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josh2473
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RE: Here's a song!
2005/05/18 20:52:48
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 The first thing I thought someone would say about this song is," There is too much delay on the guitar solo!" Not " it sounds too dry" Anyway, the way I record my guitar solos are through mics on the 4x12 cabs. This song is just a rough mix. Plus, I wanted to see how well the mp3 activator, from Cakewalk, would work. It does work better then what I was using before and that is probably one reason why it sounds a little muddy. I am very happy with the mics I use and they give out very good quality sound. The sound you hear on the mp3 is the sound you would hear live. Plus, I don't think that there is one position for guitars or drums, if I'm producing the music I can do what ever I want. You are right though, yes on the drum machine. It is a stero track and yes the drum kit is spread out stero pan. The difference is, when I record I use 2 different Fostex units. 1 is a DM-8 the other FD-4. I use the DMT-8 to put tracks together then I put that into Sonar. If you would like to know the mixed side, I worked on 1 of the songs from Coffee House in Collaberative Exercise and I explained in detail about the process that I did. I am not saying that these aren't good suggestions because I will give these tips a try but I am still in shock by that phrase. Oh, and by the way, I realize that you are from chicago mlavin00. I'm right next door Cicero!
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josh2473
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RE: Here's a song!
2005/05/18 22:27:20
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Hey Kevin,
What part of Colorado are you from? I grew up in Monument, Co before I moved here to chicago. That's the only reason I was asking!
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josh2473
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RE: Here's a song!
2005/05/19 21:32:54
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You were right mlavin00. I applied an eqwith a high pass filter and I also added a compressor. I will redo this mix and put the new one on hopefuuly tonight maybe tomorrow. That first mix didn't get my usual mixing process.
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josh2473
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RE: Here's a song!
2005/05/20 00:12:54
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RE: Here's a song!
2005/05/20 06:03:24
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This is not bad at all, needs work but would be worth the effort. You'll hear a lot of advice here on buying books about mixing - and all will be good recommendations. However one I would suggest first is Mixing and Mastering with Waves. Rather then being a study text, it's a cookbook and will get you further, faster than any other book. Here's the link http://www.waves.com/content.asp?id=677 You don't really need the Waves plugs to benefit from it either.
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RE: Here's a song!
2005/05/21 13:08:01
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Hi, josh2473,
I'm listening to the "newer version." You still have the drums up front and dry. The guitar is still a long way off to the left, and it sounds like it's in the next room, relative to the drums. The bass might be two rooms away. . .
Yeah, it's all mix issues, as others have pointed out. I struggle with the muddiness factor, too. I'm in a small room that needs treatment -- standing wave issues to the max. Makes it hard to actually hear what you're doing.
But, I listened through twice. . . Sounds like you enjoy playing. The performance is way better than the mix, IMHO. Play with the mix. Or ask other forumites to have a go at it. We've done that on other threads. It can be very informative.
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josh2473
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RE: Here's a song!
2005/05/21 17:38:48
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Thanks for all of the mixing tips. They are all usefull and I do realize that I can do more on this one. Last night I managed to get the guitar solo louder so it stands out more but it still needs some work. I guess that's where I'm at fault because on some days I record tracks and other days I mix or it is all in the same day  It will all come together!
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josh2473
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RE: Here's a song!
2005/05/22 15:21:56
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I finally realize where the mistake happens to be. I recently picked up a noise reduction unit and I use this piece when I mike up instruments. What happened is,the output level for the right side was lower then the left side. So, I will have to record the guitar solo again plus I will add some other instruments as well. I'll try to post a newer version of this song by Monday night!
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josh2473
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RE: Here's a song!
2005/05/24 01:02:14
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