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Holding On To Faith- Scandalous Grace- New Mix

Holding On To Faith.  
 
Here is the latest song from the band.  Let us know what you think of the mix on this song.  Interestingly, this was written from the Bass Guitar; I don't recall ever, having done so in the past. 
 
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Words & Mu­sic: Michael Hanson
Michael Hansen: Lead Vox, Bass, Acoustic Guitar, Electric Rhythm, 1st Lead guitar, End Lead Guitar, Drum programing.
Sean Peifer: BGV, Main Guitar Solo, Electric Rhythm
Reece Bain: B3 Organ and BGVs.
 
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    Re: Holding On To Faith- Scandalous Grace 2016/09/18 16:57:41 (permalink)
    Loved this!  Only nit is the guitar lead parts.  I'm a guitarist so I'm a bit of a perfectionist.  I'd make them mirror the melody more.  Other than that, this is a great song!
     
    <Edit>  Rik and I posted at same time.  yes the intonation with the lead is a problem.  I'd mirror the melody of the verses more (as a guide).  As far as intonation of the voice, it's endearing in a Bob Dylan kind of way.  
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    Re: Holding On To Faith- Scandalous Grace 2016/09/19 02:35:41 (permalink)
    Rikkie
    Hi Michael, just listened to your new tune, actually a couple of times just to be sure and if you don't mind some criticism, it sounds like there are some serious intonation problems here, especially the electric guitar. Also that last solo almost sounds if it's pasted in the wrong place.  Sorry to be so critcal, it sounds like a very rough demo as it is now.
     
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    I almost posted the same thing last night but thought it might be tired ears so held off till this morning . There is a tuning anomaly in there, I think the elec guitars are out of tune slightly with the organ.

     
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    Re: Holding On To Faith- Scandalous Grace 2016/09/19 10:04:47 (permalink)
    Rikkie
    Hi Michael, just listened to your new tune, actually a couple of times just to be sure and if you don't mind some criticism, it sounds like there are some serious intonation problems here, especially the electric guitar. Also that last solo almost sounds if it's pasted in the wrong place.  Sorry to be so critcal, it sounds like a very rough demo as it is now.
     
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    Thanks a bunch for listening Rikkie.  I am discussing some of your comments with the Band and we are looking at fixing some of these tracks.  When you hear the intonation issues, is it mostly with the electric rhythm guitars?  
     
    It sounds like your issues with last solo are mainly timing related.  

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    Re: Holding On To Faith- Scandalous Grace 2016/09/19 10:16:24 (permalink)
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    Loved this!  Only nit is the guitar lead parts.  I'm a guitarist so I'm a bit of a perfectionist.  I'd make them mirror the melody more.  Other than that, this is a great song!
     
    <Edit>  Rik and I posted at same time.  yes the intonation with the lead is a problem.  I'd mirror the melody of the verses more (as a guide).  As far as intonation of the voice, it's endearing in a Bob Dylan kind of way.  




    David- Thanks a bunch for listening to this song.  I am thrilled that you really like it.  
     
    The Dylan reference threw me a little.  I am often told that I sound very Petty-like, but it has been 10-12 years since anyone referenced Dylan.  Dylan is one of those references where I never know whether it is a compliment or a knock; I have heard it used both ways.  Zimmerman, incidentally, grew up about 30 miles away from my home town, on the Iron Range.  
     
    There are actually 3 different solo's being played on 3 separate guitars for this song.  I have the 1st Intro solo on my MIA Strat.  Sean has the middle and main solo on his LP.  For the Outro solo, I play my Blackie Strat partscaster.  Narrowing down which solo you are hearing tuning issues with would be helpful.  I am very religious about checking tuning before hitting "record". I think maybe my final solo could be reworking into timing which fits better with the song. I was doing quite a lot of bending on that solo, as well.  Could be that I was a little flat of a full bend on an area or two.  

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    Re: Holding On To Faith- Scandalous Grace 2016/09/19 10:18:47 (permalink)
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    Hi Michael, just listened to your new tune, actually a couple of times just to be sure and if you don't mind some criticism, it sounds like there are some serious intonation problems here, especially the electric guitar. Also that last solo almost sounds if it's pasted in the wrong place.  Sorry to be so critcal, it sounds like a very rough demo as it is now.
     
    Rik




    I almost posted the same thing last night but thought it might be tired ears so held off till this morning . There is a tuning anomaly in there, I think the elec guitars are out of tune slightly with the organ.




    James- Thank you bro for listening.  As always, I greatly appreciate your ears.  We will check some of these trouble spots as a band and make some adjustments.  
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    Re: Holding On To Faith- Scandalous Grace 2016/09/19 10:27:58 (permalink)
    Dylan or Petty are more meant where the style is hard to classify or sui generis.  You have a style that everyone will know is immediately you, so I wouldn't try to change that by goose-ing notes here and there.  
     
    As far as the solos, I would simply tell all involved to stay closer to the melody of the verses as a guide instead of going outside the harmonies.  Sorry I can't be more specific, but some of the bends here and there and even some of the intentional notes are too outside of the design of the song. By intonation, not sure if Rik meant the actual tuning of the instrument or the solos.
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    Re: Holding On To Faith- Scandalous Grace 2016/09/19 10:43:50 (permalink)
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    Rikkie
    Hi Michael, just listened to your new tune, actually a couple of times just to be sure and if you don't mind some criticism, it sounds like there are some serious intonation problems here, especially the electric guitar. Also that last solo almost sounds if it's pasted in the wrong place.  Sorry to be so critcal, it sounds like a very rough demo as it is now.
     
    Rik




    I almost posted the same thing last night but thought it might be tired ears so held off till this morning . There is a tuning anomaly in there, I think the elec guitars are out of tune slightly with the organ.




    James- Thank you bro for listening.  As always, I greatly appreciate your ears.  We will check some of these trouble spots as a band and make some adjustments.  




    Check the main solo at 2:50-51 and 2:56-57, it could be wrong passing notes, or that a string has gone out of whack, but there's something amiss there.

     
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    Re: Holding On To Faith- Scandalous Grace 2016/09/19 16:07:14 (permalink)
    Ditto on the tuning issues.  Be sure everyone is using the same tuning standard and actually tunes their instruments before a take.
     
    Vox is also off pitch in a few places... or it might just be the way it sounds with that guitar out of tune in the background. Listen to the vocal note held at 1:50. 
     
    Guitar solo's need to be in the same key and use the same scale as the song's melody. There's a lot of missing passing tones in the solos.
     
    It has a Dylan feel to it. Could be a very cool song when the issues get fixed.
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    Re: Holding On To Faith- Scandalous Grace 2016/09/19 17:03:12 (permalink)
    Great song - love the harmonies.
    Definitely the tuning issues that everyone else mentions.
    If you are using an NI Kontakt organ, it could be the organ - I have had the issue myself - one of the updates took care of it.
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    Re: Holding On To Faith- Scandalous Grace 2016/09/19 21:44:07 (permalink)
    Thank you all, guys!  we appreciate your feedback so much!
     
    daryl and rik who asked about whether or not the organ was the thing out of tune - no, it's not the organ.  I did play some dissonant notes but everything I played is in the key and they're on pitch.  I'm using a real Hammond XK3c audio output not a softsynth or sampled organ so it's good.
     
    but we are working on the problems we have found due to your feedback!  thanks again!

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    Re: Holding On To Faith- Scandalous Grace 2016/09/20 14:50:33 (permalink)
    Yep...as Reece has stated, we are going to re-track several of the guitar rhythm tracks, just to be on the safe side.  
     
    I know that Sean is taking another run at the main Solo in the middle of the song.  I am going to rework my Outro Solo.  I guess no one appreciates Jazz any more.     
     
    I am going to leave the song up for now, but will post a new mix when I have everything together.  

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    Re: Holding On To Faith- Scandalous Grace 2016/09/20 22:35:38 (permalink)
    I too mostly noticed intonation - not to pile on, but you might want to tighten it all up tuning wise. 
     
    The panning of guitar material seemed a bit arbitrary, too, though I'm no one to talk about that kind of thing. 
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    Re: Holding On To Faith- Scandalous Grace 2016/09/23 23:24:18 (permalink)
    I have posted a new mix for this song, follow the same link above. This version has two new electric rhythm guitar tracks. Also, the middle Solo in the Outro solo have been redone.

    Hope this sounds better.

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    Re: Holding On To Faith- Scandalous Grace 2016/09/23 23:37:23 (permalink)
    This is much better.  I really like this tune, and I love your rendition of it.  You do know that Bob Dylan recorded a trio of christian themed albums right after he was saved:
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saved_(album)
     
    The albums are actually very good, but were never mainstream.  I'm sure you probably knew about these, but I thought i'd throw that reminder out there.  Does your band play any of these?  (your song is very much in this style).
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    Re: Holding On To Faith- Scandalous Grace 2016/09/24 07:37:05 (permalink)
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    I have posted a new mix for this song, follow the same link above. This version has two new electric rhythm guitar tracks. Also, the middle Solo in the Outro solo have been redone.

    Hope this sounds better.



    Much better!

     
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    Re: Holding On To Faith- Scandalous Grace 2016/09/24 08:23:31 (permalink)
    Much better... Yep, the instruments are sounding good. 
     
    I would still run some Melodyne on the lead vox to get rid of the quaver in the singing and tune them just a bit in a few places where the vocal drifts off pitch.  You don't need to run it to the 100% level..... just fix the obvious nits.There's no shame in using ME to tame a few things. I use it on every vocal that comes through my studio. Some need it more than others but I still use it to look at the vocals to see what's happening in them.
     
    And.... I would bump the vocals up a few dB since it is really difficult to pick out the lyrics with the vox setting so far back into the mix like it is now.
     
    Getting closer to a finished mix.
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    Re: Holding On To Faith- Scandalous Grace 2016/09/24 09:03:07 (permalink)
    David- Thanks for listening again and commenting.  Your suggestions made a noticeable difference to this song.  
     
    I did know about Dylan's Christian based albums from the past.  One of my good college buds was a huge Dylan fan and had every album that he ever released.  I have not listened to them in a while.  Scandalous Grace has never attempted to cover one, we have elected to do all of our own songs.  You can check most of them out on my sight. As a group, we trade off on Lead Vocals.  The main writer of the song, usually takes the Lead.  
     
    James- Super happy this one sounds much better to you.
     
    Herb- Glad you think the instrumentation sounds better.  I have no Melodyne phobia here.  I have had the program since long before it came with Sonar.  Let's say, that sometimes I make artistic decisions on when to leave some character in a song.  I know that bothers some folks, but I have always felt that "perfect" is not always better.  Reece had mentioned some "wavering" to me.  I told him that I sang it that way on purpose.  Now, if I was grossly out of tune, I would re-sing the phrase, or "fix" it.  
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    Re: Holding On To Faith- Scandalous Grace 2016/09/24 09:59:28 (permalink)
    I like the tune....and overall think your latest mix is good to go for most part....though I would have liked to hear the original "prob" mix...lol...I was listening to this one and man...I was wondering why I couldn't hear all those crits found...lol.  Glad ya dialed it in ;o) ....hey...its only rock n roll...but I like it ....thx for sharing  

     
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    Re: Holding On To Faith- Scandalous Grace 2016/09/24 10:19:50 (permalink)
    I enjoyed the song/mix....would have liked to have heard those prob areas prior to compare the difference....as I was cornfused trying to hear them before i realized they were gone..lol
    glad ya got it worked out....good stuff....thx for sharing.   :o)

     
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    Re: Holding On To Faith- Scandalous Grace- New Mix 2016/09/24 12:27:44 (permalink)
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    Re: Holding On To Faith- Scandalous Grace- New Mix 2016/09/24 13:59:27 (permalink)
    Steve- Thank you for listening and commenting.  Sorry you missed the original.  I used to leave them up, but these days I just post the corrected mix.  I had issues in the past were someone would comment on the old mix, thinking it was the new, and things just got too confusing.  Especially on multiple forums.  
     
    Rikkie-Thank you for coming back around and giving this a second listen.  You are the one that spotted the original issues.  You have a good ear, my friend and I appreciate that you picked out some areas that needed work.  Here you say that it sound good now, if reassuring.  

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    Re: Holding On To Faith- Scandalous Grace- New Mix 2016/09/24 17:01:30 (permalink)
    never heard the original, thankfully!
    this one sounds pretty good. nice vocals and all instruments are present and in tune
    good job
     

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    Re: Holding On To Faith- Scandalous Grace- New Mix 2016/09/24 21:07:07 (permalink)
    Thanks for listening mgh.  You didn't miss anything big, things were not that bad.  Just a guitar that's intonation was off a little and a few out of key notes in the solos.  
     
    Glad that everything sounds good to you in this version.  

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    Re: Holding On To Faith- Scandalous Grace- New Mix 2016/09/27 15:05:57 (permalink)
    If I could ask one more favor from ya'll.  Do the volume levels on the Solo's sound correct?  In particular, the middle solo and ending solo?

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    Re: Holding On To Faith- Scandalous Grace- New Mix 2016/10/01 19:55:30 (permalink)
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    Re: Holding On To Faith- Scandalous Grace 2016/10/02 08:05:05 (permalink)
    It's strange that I couldn't hear the guitar being out of tune but I did her the vocal being sharp in many places. I did get a Dylan/ Petty vibe from the song as well.
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    Re: Holding On To Faith- Scandalous Grace 2016/10/03 10:35:15 (permalink)
    Rik- Thank you for another listen.  Glad to hear all sounds good.  
     
    Jammer- All of those issues got fixed on a prior release of this song.  I appreciate the listen.  

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