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Home Studio Hardware Upgrades - So Many Choices

I'm limited by the gear I already own and by the money I'm willing to spend, up to $1500 maybe, but I'm considering an improved external signal chain for recording vocals and guitar and being able to use the same hardware as external inserts in SPlat.
 
At the moment I'm thinking that a decent analog mixer with Channel Inserts like the Mackie 1402 VLZ4 or the Allen & Heath ZED14 may work for recording, but the Quad Capture only has a pair of TRS Outputs, so when it comes to using External Inserts with SPlat, that's a problem, isn't it?  The single USB 3.0 on my laptop is dedicated to the external HDD, so a USB 2.0 Interface is required.
 
Existing recording chain:  GAP Pre73 -> FMR RNC (Insert on Pre73) -> Quad Capture
 
Option 1:  GAP Pre73 -> Warm Audio Pultec -> Mixer -> FMR RNC (Insert on Mixer) -> Quad Capture
Option 2:  GAP Pre73 -> Warm Audio Pultec -> Warm Audio WA2A or WA76 -> Quad Capture
Option 3:  GAP Pre73 -> Warm Audio Pultec -> Warm Audio WA2A or WA76 -> New Interface
Option 4:  ???
 
Does one need a pair of external units to process and return a stereo signal?
 
Thanks for your time:)
post edited by olemon - 2016/09/15 12:16:22

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Re: Home Studio Hardware - Suggestions? 2016/09/09 07:48:42 (permalink)
One of these:
https://www.amazon.com/LabelManager-Handheld-Label-Maker-1790415/dp/B005X9VZ70/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1473421432&sr=8-2&keywords=label+maker
 
With THIS Tape:
https://www.amazon.com/DYMO-Standard-LabelManager-cartridge-40910/dp/B00004Z5WG/ref=pd_sim_229_7?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=SCGWH12P6DAVGC0TBTNJ
 
Should work and look pretty good.  You only see the actual tape close up...
 
Just a thought....And you can use it with the tape that came with it (black on white) for studio clean up...wire labels etc.
 
 
 
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Re: Home Studio Hardware - Suggestions? 2016/09/09 15:33:31 (permalink)
Hi. You are probably good to go as you are.
But I have, and would like to suggest a Drawmer MXPRO 60 (front end one), into a RME Ucx.
Really good (in my opinion) products, and could probably be had in your budget.
All the best.

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Re: Home Studio Hardware - Suggestions? 2016/09/09 18:04:02 (permalink)
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One of these:
 
Should work and look pretty good.  You only see the actual tape close up...
 
Just a thought....And you can use it with the tape that came with it (black on white) for studio clean up...wire labels etc.

 
Huh?
 
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Re: Home Studio Hardware - Suggestions? 2016/09/09 19:35:09 (permalink)
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Hi. You are probably good to go as you are.
But I have, and would like to suggest a Drawmer MXPRO 60 (front end one), into a RME Ucx.
Really good (in my opinion) products, and could probably be had in your budget.
All the best.



Thanks.  I'm happy with the Pre73 and the RNC, but I wanted to add an EQ ahead of the Comp.  Problem is the way that RNC has to be connected.  I considered channel strip type units a while back.  May have to go that route and sell the gear I have.
post edited by olemon - 2016/09/10 16:34:54
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Re: Home Studio Hardware - Suggestions? 2016/09/09 20:12:32 (permalink)
The Warm stuff is outstanding, so anything you grab there is outstanding.  2 WA Pultecs would be perfect to complement the RNC for buss work, although matching un- and balanced ins/outs could introduce noise.  I wouldn't let that stop me, tho.  The 2 WA comp units are great effects comps, but not standard master-buss fare. 
 
Depending on your needs, I would skip a lower-cost board if you want to go for the highest quality possible, esp. for going in.  I am really happy with the TASCAM UH-7000, which is a superb quality unit that punches above its weight.  Great converters and really excellent pres, too.  Precise and clean, opposite of the GAP, which makes for a good combo.  A really good deal for $400 and you can probably run it in tandem (spdif) with your quad.  Of course, if you need more than 4 inputs, it doesn't help as much.
 
Sorry to muddy up the waters even more.  Good hunting.

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Re: Home Studio Hardware Upgrades - Suggestions? 2016/09/09 20:47:17 (permalink)
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I'm limited by the gear I already own and by the money I'm willing to spend, up to $1500 maybe, but I'm considering an improved external signal chain for recording vocals and guitar and being able to use the same hardware as external inserts in SPlat.
 
At the moment I'm thinking that a decent analog mixer with Channel Inserts like the Mackie 1402 VLZ4 or the Allen & Heath ZED14 may work for recording, but the Quad Capture only has a pair of TRS Outputs, so when it comes to using External Inserts with SPlat, that's a problem, isn't it?  The single USB 3.0 on my laptop is dedicated to the external HDD, so a USB 2.0 Interface is required.
 
Existing recording chain:  GAP Pre73 -> FMR RNC (Insert on Pre73) -> Quad Capture
 
Option 1:  GAP Pre73 -> Warm Audio Pultec -> Mixer -> FMR RNC (Insert on Mixer) -> Quad Capture
Option 2:  GAP Pre73 -> Warm Audio Pultec -> Warm Audio WA2A or WA76 -> Quad Capture
Option 3:  GAP Pre73 -> Warm Audio Pultec -> Warm Audio WA2A or WA76 -> New Interface
Option 4:  ???
 
Does one need a pair of external units to process and return a stereo signal?
 
Thanks for your time:)
 


I just upgrade my signal chain as follows: Motu 828MK3 >Warm TB12 ToneBeast Pre >Warm WA76 Comp.
Can't go wrong with the Warm Audio stuff. Soon I am incorporating the Pultec Eq.
 
The pre's on the 828 are nice also. I also use a Presonus D8 Pre as well.

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Re: Home Studio Hardware Upgrades - Suggestions? 2016/09/09 21:54:02 (permalink)
Ya, not sure why you would add a "mixer" to that chain unless it was on par with the rest. 
I use a mixer for monitoring,, but not in the signal path going in,,, only going out. 
And I myself am lusting after the Tascam UH 7000. I keep reading stellar reviews about the pre amps. 

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Re: Home Studio Hardware Upgrades - Suggestions? 2016/09/10 15:55:13 (permalink)
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Ya, not sure why you would add a "mixer" to that chain unless it was on par with the rest. 

 
Gotcha'.  I was wondering about that too.  Recently I saw a few 'home studio tour' videos in which decent small mixers were used to expand or make up for limited I/O on an interface.  I'm shopping for a better interface.

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Re: Home Studio Hardware - Suggestions? 2016/09/10 16:13:53 (permalink)
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Hi. You are probably good to go as you are.
But I have, and would like to suggest a Drawmer MXPRO 60 (front end one), into a RME Ucx.

 
Given the sparse amount of time I spend in the studio these days you may be right:)  The RME gear is too pricey for me.  I'll keep that Drawmer in mind though.
 
p.s.  I guess Drawmer is of the opinion that it's better to Compress before EQ.  Interesting.
 
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Re: Home Studio Hardware - Suggestions? 2016/09/10 16:17:59 (permalink)
ATSorry to muddy up the waters even more.  Good hunting.

 
Nah.  All good information.  Thanks.
 

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Re: Home Studio Hardware Upgrades - Suggestions? 2016/09/10 16:37:22 (permalink)
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I just upgrade my signal chain as follows: Motu 828MK3 >Warm TB12 ToneBeast Pre >Warm WA76 Comp.
Can't go wrong with the Warm Audio stuff. Soon I am incorporating the Pultec Eq.
 
The pre's on the 828 are nice also. I also use a Presonus D8 Pre as well.



Thanks.  I'm seriously looking at that 828mk3, but also the UltraLite-mk3.  Other than the number of I/O's, I don't see much difference between the two.  The UltraLite is $200 less at Sweetwater.

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Re: Home Studio Hardware - Suggestions? 2016/09/11 15:19:56 (permalink)
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Hi. You are probably good to go as you are.
But I have, and would like to suggest a Drawmer MXPRO 60 (front end one), into a RME Ucx.

 
Given the sparse amount of time I spend in the studio these days you may be right:)  The RME gear is too pricey for me.  I'll keep that Drawmer in mind though.
 
p.s.  I guess Drawmer is of the opinion that it's better to Compress before EQ.  Interesting.
 


I usually do not eq or compress much on the way in, but you have a point.
I do not however think you would be disappointed with the MX60.
I just have two outboard preamps, end the MX60 is one of the two.
It was my first "proper" outboard preamp, and it is a keeper
All the best.
Edited for correction.
post edited by Zargg71 - 2016/09/11 15:55:20

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Re: Home Studio Hardware Upgrades - Suggestions? 2016/09/11 23:51:13 (permalink)
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I'm limited by the gear I already own and by the money I'm willing to spend, up to $1500 maybe, but I'm considering an improved external signal chain for recording vocals and guitar and being able to use the same hardware as external inserts in SPlat.
 
At the moment I'm thinking that a decent analog mixer with Channel Inserts like the Mackie 1402 VLZ4 or the Allen & Heath ZED14 may work for recording, but the Quad Capture only has a pair of TRS Outputs, so when it comes to using External Inserts with SPlat, that's a problem, isn't it?  The single USB 3.0 on my laptop is dedicated to the external HDD, so a USB 2.0 Interface is required.
 
Existing recording chain:  GAP Pre73 -> FMR RNC (Insert on Pre73) -> Quad Capture
 
Option 1:  GAP Pre73 -> Warm Audio Pultec -> Mixer -> FMR RNC (Insert on Mixer) -> Quad Capture
Option 2:  GAP Pre73 -> Warm Audio Pultec -> Warm Audio WA2A or WA76 -> Quad Capture
Option 3:  GAP Pre73 -> Warm Audio Pultec -> Warm Audio WA2A or WA76 -> New Interface
Option 4:  ???
 
Does one need a pair of external units to process and return a stereo signal?
 
Thanks for your time:)



Unless you're going to spend a lot, your current front-end chain is pretty good.
I'd avoid an external mixer.  The shorter the signal path, the better your ultimate fidelity.
 
If want/need more I/O, I'd look at a higher-end audio interface.
That combined with option 3 from above would be fantastic (especially if you had both LA-2A and 1176).
 
If you didn't already have front-end gear, I'd suggest checking out the Neve Portico II channel strip.
Mic-pre, 4-band EQ, and compressor are all world-class.
Mics that sound "strident" with mediocre preamps suddenly sound large/focused.
The compressor does both softer and more aggressive compression (LA-2A and 1176 ish).
It's a budget buster (~$2750), but the quality/versatility is as good as it gets.
 
post edited by Jim Roseberry - 2016/09/12 00:16:07

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Re: Home Studio Hardware Upgrades - Suggestions? 2016/09/12 09:58:06 (permalink)
Yea Jim, the Portico II  is the most flexible front end I've come across and covers about every function one needs.  It is hard to make it sound bad.  But it costs.

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Re: Home Studio Hardware Upgrades - Suggestions? 2016/09/13 10:31:10 (permalink)
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Yea Jim, the Portico II  is the most flexible front end I've come across and covers about every function one needs.  It is hard to make it sound bad.  But it costs.



It's fantastic sounding on DI electric bass too!
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Re: Home Studio Hardware Upgrades - Suggestions? 2016/09/15 10:02:48 (permalink)
Thanks for the discussion and recommendations. I haven't bought anything yet, but have set my sights a new and better interface.

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Re: Home Studio Hardware Upgrades - Suggestions? 2016/09/15 11:04:47 (permalink)
Let us know what you end up with, and how you like it. It might help others in your situation.
All the best.

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Re: Home Studio Hardware Upgrades - Suggestions? 2016/09/15 14:13:56 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Rob[at]Sound-Rehab 2016/09/21 07:25:02
Something to consider for cash spending on upgrades is to spend in this order of impact:

1) talent/instruments/amps/research
2) mics
3) monitors
4) room
5) cabling/connections
6) pre-amp
7) A/D
8) Better power conditioning/cabling


In this order, you'll work toward better results. This assumes you're investing in improvements vs. just starting out. Many times, starting out, even just a cheap, but decent pre-amp is enough to get you through until you've made yourself a better environment (1-5), for example.

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Re: Home Studio Hardware Upgrades - Suggestions? 2016/09/20 18:49:50 (permalink)
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Something to consider for cash spending on upgrades is to spend in this order of impact:

1) talent/instruments/amps/research
2) mics
3) monitors
4) room
5) cabling/connections
6) pre-amp
7) A/D
8) Better power conditioning/cabling


In this order, you'll work toward better results. This assumes you're investing in improvements vs. just starting out. Many times, starting out, even just a cheap, but decent pre-amp is enough to get you through until you've made yourself a better environment (1-5), for example.

 
Sound advice, pun intended.  So far, the cash remains in my pocket....
 

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Re: Home Studio Hardware Upgrades - Suggestions? 2016/09/26 18:45:52 (permalink)
I picked up a new interface, a MOTU UltraLite-mk3 Hybrid.  Shipped today.
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/UltraLite3Hy
It has plenty of I/O options for me and my spare-room studio, plus DSP and Fx, the bells and whistles I wanted.  I bought a Demo, saved a couple of bucks I can apply toward that Warm Audio Eq maybe:)
 

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Re: Home Studio Hardware Upgrades - Suggestions? 2017/01/03 11:39:49 (permalink)
An update, just in case someone cares:)

I just returned the Motu UltraLite Mk3. Thankfully, Sweetwater is giving me a credit, even after three months, so the search for a new A/I continues. My initial impressions of the Motu were mostly positive. Solid and well built, easy to install and setup with SPlat. To my ears it sounded better than my Quad Capture, more clear, more crisp. I wasn't crazy about the knobs on the front panel though. The group of four on the right side are too close together. The trim and volume knobs are better spaced, but still a little tough to access. The real problem had to do with CueMix, the Windows app and in the A/I itself. At times the Input meters on the app registered no signal even while the meters on the A/I itself were dancing. At other times the Mixes tab on the app was locked up and/or I couldn't get audio to the phones. Motu suggested reinstalling software, repairing driver, swapping the usb cable, the usual. That might fix the Meters temporarily, until the next time. Never could resize the CueMix window. After another frustrating attempt to sort it out over the holidays I called Sweetwater.

I haven't given up on Motu altogether. The Mk4's are slightly redesigned and the new 624 looks good too. I prefer the hybrid footprint. CueMix has been updated or replaced or renamed on these newest interfaces.

Another option is the RME UCX, but that's bigger bucks.

On another note, I did pick-up a Summit Audio TLA-50 and two decent mics, the Sure SM7B and the SM81.

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