Horrible Cursor Problem In Sonar X1

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2011/01/04 15:35:54 (permalink)

Horrible Cursor Problem In Sonar X1

EDIT: THANKS SO MUCH! PROBLEM SOLVED!
 
I had a horrible cursor problem crop up when using the "smart" cursor in Sonar X1.
Its behavior totally changed and I have no idea how to change it back. I made a video to explain:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr96xoUqnHs
 
Please let me know if you know how to change this back. It has been frustrating to lose productivity over something so seemingly trivial.
post edited by Corling - 2011/01/04 16:00:39
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    Re:Horrible Cursor Problem In Sonar X1 2011/01/04 15:38:29 (permalink)
    Corling it does look like that's the automation cursor. Go to that little drop down box in the track pane and click on Clips to get it back to normal.

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    Re:Horrible Cursor Problem In Sonar X1 2011/01/04 15:39:38 (permalink)
    you'll have to go to the envelope filter in the track view and change it back to clips (on the choosen track, it's the drop down list
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    Re:Horrible Cursor Problem In Sonar X1 2011/01/04 15:42:00 (permalink)
    You have the Edit Filter on that Track set to edit Automation Envelopes. Go to the first dropdown box in the track header, and change it back to Clips.

    Looks like we've got it covered.
    post edited by brundlefly - 2011/01/04 15:43:44
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    Re:Horrible Cursor Problem In Sonar X1 2011/01/04 15:44:18 (permalink)
    Can you get there with an inadvertent key stroke? That would suck if you hit that by mistake and got that weird cursor. Is that what happened to the OP?

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    Re:Horrible Cursor Problem In Sonar X1 2011/01/04 15:47:52 (permalink)
    HumbleNoise


    Can you get there with an inadvertent key stroke? That would suck if you hit that by mistake and got that weird cursor. Is that what happened to the OP?

    I'm not at my DAW, but if I'm not mistaken, the user can SHIFT CLICK on a clip - but NOT on the automation itself, and it changes (hence, the smart tool) without having to first choose the Edit Filter.
     
    And there are hotkeys that change the smart tool as well.  So I would say yes, there are ways to change the function of what is under the cursor (inadvertently or explicitly).
     
     

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    Re:Horrible Cursor Problem In Sonar X1 2011/01/04 15:48:11 (permalink)
    I think You're supposed to be able to Shift-Scroll through Edit Filters, but it doesn't work for me. Maybe it does for him.
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    Re:Horrible Cursor Problem In Sonar X1 2011/01/04 15:54:09 (permalink)
    brundlefly


    I think You're supposed to be able to Shift-Scroll through Edit Filters, but it doesn't work for me. Maybe it does for him.

    Others have mentioned that as well (and it didn't work for me either).
     
     

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    Re:Horrible Cursor Problem In Sonar X1 2011/01/04 15:58:44 (permalink)
    brundlefly


    You have the Edit Filter on that Track set to edit Automation Envelopes. Go to the first dropdown box in the track header, and change it back to Clips.

    Looks like we've got it covered.

    WOW, THATs IT! LOL
     
    But seriously, somehow I got every MIDI track's edit filter set to edit the output bus.
     
    I did not command Sonar X1 to do this and the feature was not there in the previous version, so I was very confused.
     
    It would be great if there was a way to keep this from "accidentally" happening. It really had me going "WTF" for 5 hours having come from previous Sonar versions.
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    Re:Horrible Cursor Problem In Sonar X1 2011/01/04 16:01:20 (permalink)
    I'm not at my DAW, but if I'm not mistaken, the user can SHIFT CLICK on a clip - but NOT on the automation itself, and it changes (hence, the smart tool) without having to first choose the Edit Filter.



    That's right, but wouldn't he have had to have an existing envelope in the track already to Shift-click on to accidentally change the filter in the first place? Or is there a way to add a new envelope with a simple click?

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    Re:Horrible Cursor Problem In Sonar X1 2011/01/04 16:03:18 (permalink)
    SHIFT + RIGHT-CLICK [on the clip] -- I think that's what I did accidentally, and as luck would have it I did it during a CTRL+A so everything was selected.

    It's ACTUALLY kind of useful now that I know it's there and what it is . . . . but it was very puzzling to have done it accidentally.
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    Re:Horrible Cursor Problem In Sonar X1 2011/01/04 16:03:59 (permalink)
    brundlefly



    I'm not at my DAW, but if I'm not mistaken, the user can SHIFT CLICK on a clip - but NOT on the automation itself, and it changes (hence, the smart tool) without having to first choose the Edit Filter.



    That's right, but wouldn't he have had to have an existing envelope in the track already to Shift-click on to accidentally change the filter in the first place? Or is there a way to add a new envelope with a simple click?

    Hmm, good question.   I don't play with X1 now, so I can't remember ;)
     
     

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    Re:Horrible Cursor Problem In Sonar X1 2011/01/04 16:04:18 (permalink)
    Hey Corling glad that was it. Another thing. If you hold down the control key, with no tracks selected, any action you do to any track will be done to all the tracks.

    More advice. Run. Now. Do not walk - to these free videos, it'll save your sanity.

    http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2179736

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    Re:Horrible Cursor Problem In Sonar X1 2011/01/04 16:04:50 (permalink)
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    SHIFT + RIGHT-CLICK [on the clip] -- I think that's what I did accidentally, and as luck would have it I did it during a CTRL+A so everything was selected.

    It's ACTUALLY kind of useful now that I know it's there and what it is . . . . but it was very puzzling to have done it accidentally.

    I would put this in the "getting to know you X1" column ;)
     
     

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    Re:Horrible Cursor Problem In Sonar X1 2011/01/04 16:06:20 (permalink)
    HumbleNoise


    Hey Corling glad that was it. Another thing. If you hold down the control key, with no tracks selected, any action you do to any track will be done to all the tracks.

    More advice. Run. Now. Do not walk - to these free videos, it'll save your sanity.

    http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2179736

    That one piece of advice (about CTRL) should be plastered around.  It's a very cool feature and I suspect most will not know of it without either stumbling on it or reading the documentation.
     
     

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    Re:Horrible Cursor Problem In Sonar X1 2011/01/04 16:18:32 (permalink)
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    I think You're supposed to be able to Shift-Scroll through Edit Filters, but it doesn't work for me. Maybe it does for him.


    That doesn't work, but press the mouse wheel in a clip to get the tools, then move the mouse wheel and the edit filter tab opens.

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    Re:Horrible Cursor Problem In Sonar X1 2011/01/04 16:22:25 (permalink)
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    Hey Corling glad that was it. Another thing. If you hold down the control key, with no tracks selected, any action you do to any track will be done to all the tracks.

    More advice. Run. Now. Do not walk - to these free videos, it'll save your sanity.

    http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2179736


    Slight correction - holding down control performs the same action on every track of the same type (e.g. only mutes audio tracks if the track you mute is an audio track).

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    Re:Horrible Cursor Problem In Sonar X1 2011/01/04 16:23:44 (permalink)
    Didn't know that, thanks Peter.

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    Re:Horrible Cursor Problem In Sonar X1 2011/01/04 16:39:40 (permalink)
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    brundlefly


    I think You're supposed to be able to Shift-Scroll through Edit Filters, but it doesn't work for me. Maybe it does for him.


    That doesn't work, but press the mouse wheel in a clip to get the tools, then move the mouse wheel and the edit filter tab opens.
    Yeah. I know about that one, but it doesn't work if you use Wizmouse, and while you've got the HUD open, you might as well just click the dropdown and select the desired filter. 


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    Re:Horrible Cursor Problem In Sonar X1 2011/01/04 17:38:48 (permalink)
    With the Smart tool a track needs to be a certain minimum size for it to work properly. It needs some space for it to know where it is in the clip. It will change according to where in the clip it is. The manual tools don't required this.

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    Re:Horrible Cursor Problem In Sonar X1 2011/01/04 18:19:38 (permalink)
    John


    With the Smart tool a track needs to be a certain minimum size for it to work properly. It needs some space for it to know where it is in the clip. It will change according to where in the clip it is. The manual tools don't required this.


    Does it? My smart tool works at the smallest I can get a track. (not with minimised layers obviously)
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    Re:Horrible Cursor Problem In Sonar X1 2011/01/04 22:51:52 (permalink)
    Have you tried splitting a clip with a minimized track with the Smart tool. Some things will work but others need space. BTW this was confirmed by a post from a CW employee.

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    Re:Horrible Cursor Problem In Sonar X1 2011/01/05 00:10:47 (permalink)
    Have you tried splitting a clip with a minimized track with the Smart tool. Some things will work but others need space. BTW this was confirmed by a post from a CW employee.

     
    Just tried it. No problem splitting either audio or MIDI clips by Alt-clicking with the Smart tool. Selecting a range by dragging in the top half and moving by dragging in the lower half also works with minimized tracks, as do other tools and operations that depend on position in the clip, even dragging a fade handle vs. slip-editing.
     
    What exactly was confirmed?
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    Re:Horrible Cursor Problem In Sonar X1 2011/01/05 00:16:41 (permalink)
    You shouldn't have to use a keybind to do that. I guess it matters what smart means. The tool with a track of the right size isn't supposed to need keys to activate the right tool.

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    Re:Horrible Cursor Problem In Sonar X1 2011/01/05 00:32:46 (permalink)
    John


    You shouldn't have to use a keybind to do that. I guess it matters what smart means. The tool with a track of the right size isn't supposed to need keys to activate the right tool.


    ALT key is how X1 changes the smart tool to a split tool.



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    Re:Horrible Cursor Problem In Sonar X1 2011/01/05 00:44:58 (permalink)
    Its not suppose to need that. I don't see why its smart if it does.

    Then I found out you CAN type S, but first you have to position the cursor in the lower part of the clip to determine the split point, then move it into the top part, then type S. Much more work than the previous method, and again, I thought "fail."

    But...
    then I found out that with the Smart Tool selected - which I am liking more and more all the time - you can "scissors" any time by holding down Alt. So you split, and then you're back in Smart Tool land. This is way better than the old way because you're not just kicked back into the cursor after splitting, you're back into the Smart Tool.

    From the Anderton review.

    I admit I used the wrong terms but my point is still valid that the Smart tool should not have a need to use a keybinding for it to work. In the above quote S is used but only if the tool is in a certain spot in the track.
    post edited by John - 2011/01/05 01:00:02

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    Re:Horrible Cursor Problem In Sonar X1 2011/01/05 03:12:12 (permalink)
    John


    Have you tried splitting a clip with a minimized track with the Smart tool. Some things will work but others need space. BTW this was confirmed by a post from a CW employee.


    Yep, and I take back my comment about minimised layers, it works on them too. The only limitation is my ability to actually see what's going on, not the smart tool's to function correctly.
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    Re:Horrible Cursor Problem In Sonar X1 2011/01/05 03:29:18 (permalink)
    You shouldn't have to use a keybind to do that. I guess it matters what smart means. The tool with a track of the right size isn't supposed to need keys to activate the right tool.



    RTFM, John. 


    I'm going by the table on page 405 of the Reference Guide, which says that Smart tool +Alt is split. It works as designed. Whether the design is "smart" by your personal definition is not the question.





     
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    Re:Horrible Cursor Problem In Sonar X1 2011/01/05 03:41:44 (permalink)
    Yep, and I take back my comment about minimised layers, it works on them too. The only limitation is my ability to actually see what's going on, not the smart tool's to function correctly.
    I think what you are saying about not being able to see what it going on could be the reason I think its important to have a decent size track.

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    Re:Horrible Cursor Problem In Sonar X1 2011/01/05 03:44:42 (permalink)
    RTFM, John. I'm going by the table on page 405 of the Reference Guide, which says that Smart tool +Alt is split. It works as designed. Whether the design is "smart" by your personal definition is not the question.
    Fine if you say so. It seems very inconsistent to me for being so smart. Plus what about the S key. If you do it the way I quoted it is more smart. Sort of. LOL

    I have read the manual.

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