kellerpj
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How Can I Protect FX Chain from Changes
I recently noticed that some of the FX Chains are "protected" so that they don't allow you to extract the plugins that are contained in the FX Chain. That's a great and forward thinking feature that I didn't know existed! Does anyone know how to apply protection to FX Chains so that they cannot be extracted and changed? Edit - I just discovered, that you can automatically extract the plugins by holding the Shift Key down when you load the FX Chain into the FX bin. So they are not "completely" protected. Anyway, is there a way to "protect" FX Chains so they cannot be extracted and changed (or reverse engineered)? Thanks, Paul
post edited by kellerpj - 2015/03/14 14:51:11
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Re: How Can I Protect FX Chain from Changes
2015/03/14 15:32:32
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Why would you want to do this? What is great about stopping people modify the sounds?
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kellerpj
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Re: How Can I Protect FX Chain from Changes
2015/03/14 17:07:42
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One might want to do this to keep others that might be using the studio from reconfiguring the FX Chains that they rely on.
What got me interested in this is that some of the FX Chains provided in Platinum don't allow you to easily see the underlying effects that are contained within them or edit the properties of the FX Chain to see how the UI is integrated to each of the underlying effects. (At least, I haven't been able to figure that out on some of the FX Chains provided with Platinum. Check out the "Acoustic Piezo" for an example.)
I'd like to know how to configure or protect my FX Chains similar to those FX Chains.
Thanks,
Paul
PS - I guess another reason could be that if you can protect an FX Chain from reverse engineering, then it would encourage enterprising knowledgeable people to produce FX Chains, with value to others, that could be sold.
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Re: How Can I Protect FX Chain from Changes
2015/03/14 18:53:25
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Well for preventing them from being changed, you could just select the files you want to protect in WIndows Explorer, right click> Properties and make the files "Read Only" That way they can't be overwritten with new settings. Not everything you want, but easy and quick and does one piece.
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Re: How Can I Protect FX Chain from Changes
2015/03/14 20:47:18
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kellerpj
Edit - I just discovered, that you can automatically extract the plugins by holding the Shift Key down when you load the FX Chain into the FX bin. So they are not "completely" protected.
How did you discover that? Chance? I had assumed that the workings of, e.g. Craig A's amps, were hidden to protect I.P., or whatever it is called. What made you search further? Was it a calculated guess, or did you just try many different combinations? Just genuinely curious.
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Re: How Can I Protect FX Chain from Changes
2015/03/14 21:11:46
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:-) I know Craig wants these kept secret so shhhhh.
post edited by gswitz - 2015/03/14 21:19:00
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Re: How Can I Protect FX Chain from Changes
2015/03/15 00:06:03
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I don't think anyone could claim IP over putting together fx chains using someone else's plugins.
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Re: How Can I Protect FX Chain from Changes
2015/03/15 00:12:35
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Don't underestimate the law or a lawyers ability to assert a claim.
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Re: How Can I Protect FX Chain from Changes
2015/03/15 00:40:58
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mudgel
I don't think anyone could claim IP over putting together fx chains using someone else's plugins.
IP is not the same as a copyright or patent. There were certain things I found out about emulations while doing the FBX project which I haven't see used in other emulations, primarily because others were trying to emulate the actual sound, whereas I was trying to "idealize" it. As far as I know this was proprietary to the way Gibson did emulation.
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kellerpj
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Re: How Can I Protect FX Chain from Changes
2015/03/15 01:09:12
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I read the Sonar documentation. I think it was under the topic of Using FX Chains. I was looking to see if I could find out how to "protect" FX Chains. See this link: https://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=SONAR%20X3&language=3&help=Browser.09.html So with all the "extra" buzz my post has created. I'd like to restate the original question: Does anyone know how to protect FX Chains like some of the ones that are provided with Platinum? Thanks in advance for any information, Paul
post edited by kellerpj - 2015/03/15 01:26:50
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Re: How Can I Protect FX Chain from Changes
2015/03/15 01:24:22
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☼ Best Answerby kellerpj 2015/03/15 01:29:03
kellerpj
I'd like to restate the original question: Does anyone know how to protect FX Chains like some of the ones that are provided with Platinum?
I have to create the locked chains in a different version of Platinum that is for internal use, not the general public. The FX Chains themselves are also slightly different. So at least for now, I don't know of any way for general users to protect them.
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kellerpj
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Re: How Can I Protect FX Chain from Changes
2015/03/15 01:32:27
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Craig:
Thanks much for the clarification. Like I originally said, I think that is a potentially great feature.
I'll put in a feature request.
Thanks again,
Paul
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kellerpj
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Re: How Can I Protect FX Chain from Changes
2015/03/15 02:16:34
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SF_Green:
I think that would work to keep people from modifying or deleting an FX Chain.
I may give that a try.
Thanks,
Paul
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Re: How Can I Protect FX Chain from Changes
2015/03/15 07:28:25
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If you think something is unique you might try using Waves Q-Clone to in principle make an IR from it. But if there are any options for thirdparty stuff there - don't know, it might be.
Others that use similar technique is Nebula, as I understand it - some kind of morph technology for many IR's so you also can emulate non-linear stuff.
I also have seen third party presets for Nebula, but if protected, don't know.
There have been lengthy threads at KVR over Bricasti Reverbs - wanting VST effect for those. But it seem to have some special modulation things going on that are hard to trace down what it is. So if somebody come up with a plugins chain that emulate that - could be really attractive.
There are IR's and they are also allowed by "mr Bricasti" himself knowing they can never do what his hardware is doing.
I think some of it was on topic....
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Re: How Can I Protect FX Chain from Changes
2015/03/15 09:50:52
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KellerPJ, you could always make the FX Chain File read-only in the file system. This would enable someone to load up your FX chain and modify it, but they wouldn't be able to save over your original.
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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