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How Do You Get That Echoy Delay Only at the End of a Song?
you know the, " and I love you..love you..love you..love you..love you and fading at the end of the song without having that delay through the entire tune?
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Re:How Do You Get That Echoy Delay Only at the End of a Song?
2011/03/08 20:45:26
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you can add a new audio track under the existing vocal track. Then split the clip you want to echo...... copy it.... and paste it into the new track several times. Then, insert a volume envelope. Now,,,, play the ending, or where you want the echo, and drag the fisrt clip to echo perfectly in time, drag the second one to it's place and so on..... now, adjust the volume envelope using nodes to make each sunsequent "echo" lower..... it only takes a few minutes to do it this way. I used this method on one song a few months back. Here @ 1:20 to 1:30 approx
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Re:How Do You Get That Echoy Delay Only at the End of a Song?
2011/03/08 20:53:15
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Another way of doing it is to set up a send from the vox to a bus with the delay effect, and automate the send volume. That is, set the send volume to 'write automation', play it, ride the send vol to be up when you want the delay and down when you don't. Edit the resulting envelope to add any required precision.
This lets you take advantage of other aspects of the delay FX, and also lets you do it a few times throughout the song -- for example at the end of each phrase, verse, whatever.
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Re:How Do You Get That Echoy Delay Only at the End of a Song?
2011/03/08 20:56:00
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well guitarhacker thinks alike me..and besides i just wanted to chime in cause ..larry...i love your posts....lol
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Re:How Do You Get That Echoy Delay Only at the End of a Song?
2011/03/08 20:57:40
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Thanks you guys for the fast and informative replies. I'll try danbob's technique first and see if I can get it to work.
I like your method as well GH, trying both should teach me a thing or two.
Thanks again
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Re:How Do You Get That Echoy Delay Only at the End of a Song?
2011/03/08 21:02:57
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Love you too Charlie! Group hug!!
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Re:How Do You Get That Echoy Delay Only at the End of a Song?
2011/03/08 21:29:26
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That was really great you guys. I like both methods but would probably choose the copy and paste method as it seems more accurate and versatile. I copied the simple ending of a base line, then split the last note and copied into the SAME track at the end multiple times and added a volume envelope. Worked great. I can see where copying to a separate track could make sense as well. I also added fades to each copied clip for a sort of fade out within the fade out. Cool effect.
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Re:How Do You Get That Echoy Delay Only at the End of a Song?
2011/03/08 21:39:19
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I've done it a couple different ways including the copying. Another way is to split the clip you want to add delay and then add a delay to the Clip's FX bin. That works pretty well too.
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Re:How Do You Get That Echoy Delay Only at the End of a Song?
2011/03/09 07:02:52
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All 3 ways mentionred have thier place, I've used them all over the years.
Sonically, I don't think there's much difference - the chosen method depends on how you like to work and how much control you want over the result.
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Re:How Do You Get That Echoy Delay Only at the End of a Song?
2011/03/09 10:15:01
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Roland chorus echo?
There are lots of ways to do it. Delay Automation on the main track. Copy and paste. Copy the note/word to a second track and put a delay on it. Manually, as the chorus echo above.
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Re:How Do You Get That Echoy Delay Only at the End of a Song?
2011/03/09 10:45:17
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Hi folks. I primarily use guitartrek's method of copy to a new track and add delay to taste in the efx bin. Personally, I haven't had the opportunity to master sends and automation.
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Re:How Do You Get That Echoy Delay Only at the End of a Song?
2011/03/10 13:15:55
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danbob
Another way of doing it is to set up a send from the vox to a bus with the delay effect, and automate the send volume. That is, set the send volume to 'write automation', play it, ride the send vol to be up when you want the delay and down when you don't. Edit the resulting envelope to add any required precision.
This lets you take advantage of other aspects of the delay FX, and also lets you do it a few times throughout the song -- for example at the end of each phrase, verse, whatever.
The "No Fuss No Muss" variation of this is to just insert the delay right into the effects bin of the vocal track itself. Then automate the "Mix %" (or similar depending on the delay being used) control of the delay itself in the track. Same type of benefit as with the Send Volume - bring it up, ramp it down etc at different points in the song.
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Re:How Do You Get That Echoy Delay Only at the End of a Song?
2011/03/11 13:18:39
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I would have thought the "no-fuss" would've been cut and paste directly into the tempo ... since there is the CPU strain anytime I have delays, clones, verbs, etc.
Instead of volume envelopes, I'd usually prefer clip-gain and clip-pan envelopes ... to neatly echo "love you", decrementally while overlapping and panning simultaneously. This is difficult (for me) with volume envelopes or delay automation.
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Re:How Do You Get That Echoy Delay Only at the End of a Song?
2011/03/11 13:48:26
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danbob
Another way of doing it is to set up a send from the vox to a bus with the delay effect, and automate the send volume. That is, set the send volume to 'write automation', play it, ride the send vol to be up when you want the delay and down when you don't. Edit the resulting envelope to add any required precision.
This lets you take advantage of other aspects of the delay FX, and also lets you do it a few times throughout the song -- for example at the end of each phrase, verse, whatever.
The "No Fuss No Muss" variation of this is to just insert the delay right into the effects bin of the vocal track itself. Then automate the "Mix %" (or similar depending on the delay being used) control of the delay itself in the track. Same type of benefit as with the Send Volume - bring it up, ramp it down etc at different points in the song.
+1! That's exactly how I do it as well...or you can split the clip and put it just on that clip where you want it to be.
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Re:How Do You Get That Echoy Delay Only at the End of a Song?
2011/10/10 18:13:17
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Ok,
I'd like to bring this topic back to the fore, I too wish to apply delay to only certain words of a track, I find copying and pasting a little painstaking and so I feel the automation option should be tried out.
Upon trying this on X1, with either cakewalk tempo delay or stereo delay in the fx bin and automating the "mix" even the power on/off option there is no effect what so ever on the track. Even if I insert stereo bus and automate the send, again no effect on the track.
Is this a bug in X1 or am I missing something, the automation is not working here for any delay?
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Re:How Do You Get That Echoy Delay Only at the End of a Song?
2011/10/10 22:51:45
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I usually run the track(s) to a bus and put the delay on the bus, then automate the bus volume. That's often easier than automating the delay plugin itself.
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Re:How Do You Get That Echoy Delay Only at the End of a Song?
2011/10/11 03:31:05
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Ah, the makeshift delay/echo. "Repeat after me ..." I still do that quite a bit! That way may actually be best as all you're doing is c/p and/or sliding things; however, plugs aren't necessarily a bad thing if you're not imposed to the " ... to taste" phrase. And often times, it takes one much longer to achieve your goal. C/P - nothing like it! (Btw, is that a hidden reference to "These Words" by Natasha Bedingfield? Of course, she just sang those nine words.  )
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Re:How Do You Get That Echoy Delay Only at the End of a Song?
2011/10/11 05:12:45
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I will try automating the delay bus volume bitflipper, but to be honest you would think that X1 would surely be capable of doing this easily, disappointed.
Rus W, thanks for you input,sometimes the most non-technical solution is usually the best. although the rest of you post lost me a little :-)
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Re:How Do You Get That Echoy Delay Only at the End of a Song?
2011/10/11 05:49:33
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Don't be disappointed! X1 and all previous versions are easily capable of doing what you're trying to do.
Get your delay working the way you want to hear it before you even think about trying to automate it.
Once you've got there, THEN you can apply whatever automation you think it requires (or suits you best):
Automate the send from the track
Automate the Delay bus level
Automate the dry/wet ratio for the delay plug
Automate the plug output level
If this doesn't work for you, it's not Sonar that's at fault, it's operator error.
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Re:How Do You Get That Echoy Delay Only at the End of a Song?
2011/10/11 11:20:00
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Ive tried all those automation types you have pointed out, the fact for me at the moment is that there is no change in audio wether I pull the line to 100% or 0%, thats why Im wondering if its a bug or obviously something im clearly missing.
Plus....I do know what I want!
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Re:How Do You Get That Echoy Delay Only at the End of a Song?
2011/11/07 00:14:58
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read automation needs to be enabled
when grabbing just a bit anywhere I automate the bus input level
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Re:How Do You Get That Echoy Delay Only at the End of a Song?
2011/11/09 17:08:30
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whack
Ive tried all those automation types you have pointed out, the fact for me at the moment is that there is no change in audio wether I pull the line to 100% or 0%, thats why Im wondering if its a bug or obviously something im clearly missing.
Plus....I do know what I want!
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Re:How Do You Get That Echoy Delay Only at the End of a Song?
2011/11/09 18:06:28
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I have used the copy/paste method with a quick volume envelope before. My grandfather use to say KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid)....
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Re:How Do You Get That Echoy Delay Only at the End of a Song?
2011/11/11 05:25:40
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read automation needs to be enabled
We might have a winner here....................
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