How Do You Set Levels for Freeze?

No, I don't do any editing such as automation prior to freezing. Here I am talking about soft synths. Audio that has been recorded I never freeze. No need to.

I wouldn't set levels as if you were recording. In Sonar record levels are set not by Sonar but by the source. Keep in mind that Sonar uses two different meters for playback and record. They could be setup independently.

Yep, no need to do anything fancy - just freeze the synth itself, NOT the track!

Yes Herb, bu freezing the synth removes those limitations

When I am ready to convert midi to audio, I generally bounce the track to audio and archive the midi tracks,


I'm with Mr Jonesy, why not just freeze?

bitflipper


I freeze tracks and synths after they've been fully effected and automated, then use the Trim/Gain slider to tweak levels if needed. 

Sometimes having to do this is unavoidable, due to a bug in which mono synth outputs increase in amplitude by 3db during the freeze. I have to be careful with gain changes, because those trim adjustments will be lost if the track is subsequently unfrozen.

me, too.  For various reasons I may do this along the way as well, independent of  whether its the final fx/automation setup.   And you have got to be aware of the 3dB bug bitflipper mentions here.  You will get a boost in some situations on account of it that you weren't expecting. 

Bit, do you see this on all mono synth outs?  I don't think I do, just ones that have (obvious, visible, or less so) stereo track capabilities or implementation around what I do.  superior is the place I really have a problem with it, but then Superior is the synth I use 90% of the time, rest is mostly audio or outboard sound modules.

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When I am ready to convert midi to audio, I generally bounce the track to audio and archive the midi tracks,


I'm with Mr Jonesy, why not just freeze?

One reason is that freezing has limited what FX I can apply to a track after the freeze.  A bounce makes it a brand new audio track and all options are now open to me in regards to FX and envelopes. 


Quite often, I don't archive the midi and synth..... I delete them when the audio sounds like I want. Yeah I know.... I can't go back and edit something..... but that's the way I work. Sometimes I kick myself but mostly, I like the result before I hit delete and never look back. 

You may find it useful to save the project after you do your deleting under a new name. This will let you revisit it if you need to.

I don't add FX to an unfrozen track from a synth. FX comes after the freeze and all other edits that are appropriate for audio if needed. I did run into a PC issue because as you all know PC is on all audio channels. Before CW fixed it PC was unavailable after a freeze. This was an issue for me then they remove that problem. So now I can continue as before.

Quite often, I don't archive the midi and synth..... I delete them when the audio sounds like I want. Yeah I know.... I can't go back and edit something..... but that's the way I work. Sometimes I kick myself but mostly, I like the result before I hit delete and never look back. 

I used to do that, too. But too often I'd later want to edit a MIDI part or replace a soft synth with something better that I'd acquired since the project was recorded, and be forced to re-record the part.


Nowadays I put the original MIDI/audio synth pairs into a folder, archive and hide them. That way they're as good as gone as far as SONAR is concerned, but can still be retrieved in a pinch.

One reason is that freezing has limited what FX I can apply to a track after the freeze.

 


oh, i didn't know that...probably b/c i don't use anything but reverb and eq

There must be a bug, because when I freeze instrument tracks, the ProChannel EQ usually stops working—even after I unfreeze.

+1

bitflipper

Quite often, I don't archive the midi and synth..... I delete them when the audio sounds like I want. Yeah I know.... I can't go back and edit something..... but that's the way I work. Sometimes I kick myself but mostly, I like the result before I hit delete and never look back. 

I used to do that, too. But too often I'd later want to edit a MIDI part or replace a soft synth with something better that I'd acquired since the project was recorded, and be forced to re-record the part.


Nowadays I put the original MIDI/audio synth pairs into a folder, archive and hide them. That way they're as good as gone as far as SONAR is concerned, but can still be retrieved in a pinch.