How Does Guitar 'Software' Work?

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2010/02/05 18:36:46 (permalink)

How Does Guitar 'Software' Work?

I'm curious about software like Guitar Rig and Amplitube and I think that the technique for using guitar amp emulation software is so well known that it's not really explained anywhere that I can find.

I currently have an older version of Guitar Port which has pretty good sounds but it needs to take over the driver duties while recording then hands the driver back to Sonar and ASIO after it's done and it's a general PIA, though like I said, I like the sounds.

So on to the question about how software works. I imagine I need to find a way to get a signal into Sonar through a guitar DI type box (which and how?) and then do you play and record a clean sound and effect that later with the software? Or do you play and record with the sound already effected?

I also have  Fender GDEC amp that has a line out and it's pretty convenient but the noise is unbearable.

Thanks for your help

I also see that Cakewalk makes Guitar Tracks Pro with a USB box. Would that be a good place to start?
post edited by HumbleNoise - 2010/02/05 18:39:30

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    HumbleNoise
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    Re:How Does Guitar 'Software' Work? 2010/02/05 21:00:55 (permalink)
    I think I got this figured out and I realize what a lame question it might be but sometimes there's so much that's a complete mystery. Any way I also have a Roland Cube 30x which has a 'recording out' that I ran into my Yamaha MG 12/4 mixer, into the sound card, and into an audio track on Sonar.

    Recorded using the clean guitar sound and it came out all right. Then I used Sonar's Amp Sim FX which is pretty lame but I suppose the good amp sims like Guitar Rig or Amplitube work the same way and effect the recorded guitar from the FX bin. I realize this ground has been covereed many times but is this an OK signal path to follow?

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    Re:How Does Guitar 'Software' Work? 2010/02/06 00:28:19 (permalink)
    One thing I have done in the past is record the guitar or whatever, even vocals, bass, etc., through two tracks. I'll have the effects in one track, and maybe monitor that track, while having another track armed to record that guitar dry, no fx. That way, I can get the feel of the guitar effect, and have a dry track to go back and reload and adjust the fx, maybe audition other effects, whatever.

    Best of both worlds.

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    Re:How Does Guitar 'Software' Work? 2010/02/06 02:30:15 (permalink)
    line out so on amps tend to be ok for clean stuff but really bad for distorted sounds. you have a couple of options here. one would be to mike the amps, if you like the sound they create, use a dynamic mike about an inch or so away from the speaker, something like an sm57 is the industry standard, you can also use a condensor mike a couple of feet away (need to watch your decibel level) to capture a second slightly different sound, this can give a bit of 'air' and by blendin the two sounds gives you more options at mix down. the position of the mike in relation to the speaker makes a massive difference to the sound, so experiment.
    the other option is to get a small DI box (as your Yamaha has no instrument (hi-q) input), they can be bought for very little money, and go thru your mixer into Sonar to use with an amp-sim. There are loads available, including free ones such as FreeAmp3, and the ones made by http://www.acmebargig.com/ which are particualarly good for freebies. check out studio devil too. of course, then there are the big beasts such as Guitar Rig 4, Amplitude 3, Revalver, Waves GTR. if you click on the link 'Dies Irae' below, all the songs are made using guitar rig 2 or 4.
    you can use the out from your Cube to take the role of the DI box, but it is going to be coloured in some way no matter what you do. given that a passive DI box can be bought for less than $20. that's what i'd do!

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    Re:How Does Guitar 'Software' Work? 2010/02/10 15:48:16 (permalink)
    I'm currently using a Line 6 toneport for my guitar amp sims. I have to use the tone direct monitoring for it or else I have serious latency issues even with the buffer size as low as possible. Is this the result of the audio interface being USB 1.1? Will USB 2 or firewire cut down on latency, or is there no correlation?
    I ask because I'm considering buying a more "pro" soundcard and switching to Guitar rig 4, but not if the latency is going to be that awful.
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    Re:How Does Guitar 'Software' Work? 2010/02/10 15:58:08 (permalink)
    usb 1.1 or 2 makes no difference to latency, it is about the amount of data that can be sent at one time ie number of simultaneous tracks. only better drivers can affect the latency, usb is notorious for having more latency than firewire or pci. with the line 6 you can monitor direct and so avoid this. even so, you shoujld be able to get down to a reasonable setting using usb.
    if you still want the lowest latency you'll have to switch to firewire or pci(e) or fork out for the rme fireface uc which is usb but has a new driver model.

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