How TL-64 Tube Leveler can be used in mastering?

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2012/11/20 09:35:29 (permalink)

How TL-64 Tube Leveler can be used in mastering?

If I'm not mistaken, Cakewalk advertises the TL-64 Tube Leveler as one of their mastering plugins. Although I know it can be used for other things, I wanted to find out exactly what purpose it serves during mastering?


My guess is that it's supposed to be used as a soft-clip gain reduction tool right before the mastering limiter to clip some of the sound and reduce some gain. In this way, the mastering limiter wouldn't need to fight as much to do all of the gain-reduction, especially with the sharp transient peaks, since the Tube-Leveler reduces some of the gain prior to it.


If my guess is right, what are some of the ways the tube leveler can/should be used for this (e.g. less input + more clipping, versus more input + less clipping)?

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    Beepster
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    Re:How TL-64 Tube Leveler can be used in mastering? 2012/11/20 09:55:46 (permalink)
    I can never get that thing to work properly. It just makes things sound all crackly and weird no matter what I do with it.
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    Re:How TL-64 Tube Leveler can be used in mastering? 2012/11/20 11:06:48 (permalink)
    If my guess is right, what are some of the ways the tube leveler can/should be used for this (e.g. less input + more clipping, versus more input + less clipping)?

    I've never used it or thought to use that plugin when mastering. But if i where to use it, the settings i would set it would be determined on a case by case basis, depending on what i hear and what is needed for that song.  


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    Re:How TL-64 Tube Leveler can be used in mastering? 2012/11/20 12:28:00 (permalink)
    I can never get that thing to work properly. It just makes things sound all crackly and weird no matter what I do with it.

    Pretty much sums up my experience, too.


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    Re:How TL-64 Tube Leveler can be used in mastering? 2012/11/20 12:36:50 (permalink)
    We have a TL-64 Tube Leveler?

    Gosh! Next time I have a tube that needs leveling, I'll sure try it!

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    Re:How TL-64 Tube Leveler can be used in mastering? 2012/11/20 17:34:26 (permalink)
    So no one uses this for this purpose?

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    Re:How TL-64 Tube Leveler can be used in mastering? 2012/11/20 20:08:44 (permalink)

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    Re:How TL-64 Tube Leveler can be used in mastering? 2012/11/21 10:25:47 (permalink)
    sharke


    http://www.soundonsound.c...cles/sonarworkshop.htm

    That article, thought it looks really good, addresses the TS-64 Transient Shaper and not the TL-64 Tube Leveler.

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    Re:How TL-64 Tube Leveler can be used in mastering? 2012/11/21 10:55:12 (permalink)
    @bitflipper... I thought I just didn't know how to use it but if it's happening to you too... well maybe I'll just avoid the thing all together. Not even quite sure what it's supposed to do. Even out/smooth the levels of a track? Isn't that what all my fancy compressor/limiters do?
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    Re:How TL-64 Tube Leveler can be used in mastering? 2012/11/21 11:35:57 (permalink)
    Well it does the same thing as any other saturation tool, warms the track by soft clipping and removing some of the edge. However, I was just wondering about this tool in particular because it seems to especially target mastering purposes according to cakewalk.

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    Re:How TL-64 Tube Leveler can be used in mastering? 2012/11/21 11:55:55 (permalink)
    Thanks. Maybe it'll work better on some of my mellower stuff.
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    Re:How TL-64 Tube Leveler can be used in mastering? 2012/11/21 12:44:38 (permalink)
    A leveler is just another name for a comp.  The PCA2 is a leveling amp.  Usually these are based on the LA2A, hense the T for Tube (not texas or nor tennesse).  So there is a slower attack time involved and some saturation.

    There is no reason not to use (tho I haven't) for mastering, esp. combined w/ something that will grab the attack and transits hard.  Like an 1176.  That is a typical vocal comp chain.  Limiter to tame the peaks and an LA2A to keep the level raised and evener (did I just invent a word?).

    Theoritically, that should work too on an entire mix.  For me, I use a komit conmpressor (analog stereo), which is a smooth ssl comp followed by a diode limiter.  Great for rock/industial because you can drive the limiter to saturation - and it is a hard limiter.  It will put hair on the chest of your song.  One has to be careful with quieter songs, tho.

    Same kind of thing w/ the 1176/la2a chain, tho no tube.  And the ssl ain't as grabby.

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    Re:How TL-64 Tube Leveler can be used in mastering? 2012/11/21 13:10:08 (permalink)
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    sharke


    http://www.soundonsound.c...cles/sonarworkshop.htm

    That article, thought it looks really good, addresses the TS-64 Transient Shaper and not the TL-64 Tube Leveler.

    Well how about that, heh. I should look at things more closely. I tried putting the leveler on a drum bus last night, actually sounded pretty good. Definitely added some gravy. 

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    Re:How TL-64 Tube Leveler can be used in mastering? 2013/04/02 20:15:25 (permalink)
    OK, while I do understand what you're saying conceptually, but sequentially, I'm a little confused. I've always gotten my best results applying the reverb as the last step simply because theoretically it seems as though whatever type of compression would be applied after reverb would defeat the purpose of what reverb does. I'm even more confused on what the Transient tool achieves. Any help there would be appreciated. Thanks, KC

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    Re:How TL-64 Tube Leveler can be used in mastering? 2013/04/02 23:45:07 (permalink)
    I've been using it to add distortion on a synth track. I like the way the clipping can be brought in very gradually, with soft-knee. OTH, it's difficult to imagine using this for mastering--I have much higher-quality UAD plugins for that.

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