How are X3 Producer Bundled Effects?

Well I don't know where you read that the plugins in Sonar are not great. They are. Many are unique and all are of a quality that is every bit as good as many third party plugins.
 
I do believe you will want to add to what CW has both from them and others. For example Kontakt is the single best sampler around. I mentioned in another thread about the Moog Modular V from Arturia. Those are the best of their type. But Dimension Pro will hold its own with many. Then the effects that are bundled with Producer are in a word outstanding. I like the Pro Channel modules and have all the CW ones and some third party ones. Over all if someone is disparaging of the plugins that come with X3 Producer either they are talking through their rears or they have bought a hold slew of third party plugins that they do not want to admit to their folly.  
 
 

This is the review I read about the plugs sounding "dated".
 
Google SONAR x3 Review PCMAG

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This is the review I read about the plugs sounding "dated".
 
Google SONAR x3 Review PCMAG

Well that is referring to Sonar X3. Not Sonar X3 Studio or Sonar X3 Producer. In the past we viewed the entry level version as good value but with no bells and whistles. I was all set to find fault with them but with the version they are reviewing I have little doubt that the meager plugins in that versions won't impress anyone. For me I don't think about that version much. Never have. Its abetter value thane it used to be. But before X3 there were only two versions that had the full measure of features. The was Sonar Studio and Producer. Producer had everything CW had to offer. 
 
If you are thinking getting the base version of X3 it wont have all the plugins that Studio or Producer come with.
 
When I talk about Sonar I am talking about the Producer version only. That is the version I have always used.  

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This is the review I read about the plugs sounding "dated".
 
Google SONAR x3 Review PCMAG

He's reviewing the $99 version. Check out the feature comparison chart for the three versions - it's $99 because it doesn't have all the cool plugs. However, it has all the cool technology features, which is probably why the review is so extremely favorable.
 

If you want a much more complete picture, may I suggest you search these forums for more information. Almost every question you've posed has already been answered (except for the RME one because no one has encountered that problem). There are multiple threads about the plug-ins with a huge variety of opinions, comparisons to Waves and other third party plug-ins, etc.; these threads have developed over days and even weeks.
 
As to whether the Sonitus plugs sound dated, the only one that sounds "dated" is the reverb. I'm really not sure how something like a delay can sound "dated." A signal delayed by 126 milliseconds in 2014 sounds the same as a signal delayed by 126 milliseconds in 1999 

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I was a SONAR user of old, I was using CWPA6 through SONAR XL, and honestly one of the big reasons I switched to the 1K Samplitude back in 2004/5 was that the bundled plug-ins were pretty excellent and comprehensive.  Back then good plug ins were not common except Waves or UAD1 which were both very expensive.  Everything I did just sounded better in Samplitude. In the 32-bit days it was absolutely the best sounding mix engine, not sure thats true today.

 
Samplitude was ahead of the curve in terms of broadcast-friendly editing, in-DAW mastering, CD burning, and object-oriented editing. i think they're still ahead of the game in object-oriented editing and if you get Sequoia, it has four-point editing for broadcast. 
 

So my question is not about not knowing how to use tools or wanting better than stock plug ins, its about if the stock plugs in Sonar X3 are placeholders or are they pro?  Keep in mind one of the reasons I left the platform was the realization that the plugs were poor quality.  Native plugs have come a long way, just want to know if those advances made their wy into X3.

Anything that's designed for the ProChannel holds its own against similar plugs. The Blue Tubes plugs have more of a "vintage" vibe. The only place I find Sonar lacking is in a good multiband limiter/maximizer. IMHO you still need Waves L1-type plugs for that regardless of which DAW you use. There are also no "restoration" plug ins, like de-cracklers, peak restorers, etc. You still need iZotope, WaveLab, Sound Forge, Audition, etc. if you need to do salvage jobs.

Samplitude has had excellent multiband mastering compression, the AM-suite analog modeling plugs, and Pro-X has the restoration suite.  Samp is still probably in the lead in bundled FX, but equivalents are so inexpensive these days, no one is going to switch to Samp just for the plugs.

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I have no way of knowing whether we are bein trolled or if this is just this guy's personality but since I'm not likely to offer anything not already going to be said in some form, I will take a pass.

 
Not being trolled, just dont have time for this kind of posturing and game playing.  Just have questions that need answers, and I got them fast.  Words not an indication of personality, just belief in relative unimportance of filtering and choosing words carefully, dont care about grammar or spelling police, etc etc.  Just get in and out fast.

I like to help polite people. People that show some gratitude for trying to help. I also think when asking for things the least one can do is try to be easily understood. That means doing ones best in try to spell correctly and using proper punctuation. It all shows a bit of respect to those trying to be of service.
 
Getting in and out fast may suit you but is it really the best way to get good answers to your questions?
 
People will go to a lot of effort to help when they think it is being appreciated.  
 
 
 

John
 
Getting in and out fast may suit you but is it really the best way to get good answers to your questions?
 

A related issue is not paying attention to the answers that are given. and therefore drawing incorrect conclusions that get perpetuated in future questions.
 

 
People will go to a lot of effort to help when they think it is being appreciated.  
 

 
The community is indeed extremely helpful, but people don't have infinite amounts of patience. If someone is perceived as taking over the forum in the expectation that it will be a 24/7 personal tutor and a large number of threads on the front page cater to their unique needs, at some point people will stop answering because the person is only taking, and giving back nothing in return. People who consider their needs more important than those of others eventually wear out their welcome.
 
My pet peeve is when a feature isn't understood or the documentation hasn't been explored, and thread titles are put up with subject lines like "XX doesn't work!!!" when it in fact works perfectly.
 
Asking if something is a bug only shows the person does not know the intended behavior. If someone suspects a bug, you list the steps to reproduce, and see if anyone else can. If they can, a complete description and the sequence of steps is submitted properly in a bug report form, at which point Cakewalk assigns its priority in the queue.
 
 

Naa not saying they should drop support for other plugin formats Craig, just stop supplying the plugins themselves in new versions of Sonar or make them into VST's.

I don't think of the Sonitus effects as sounding dated. I think of them as overachieving stompboxes.

The effects in X Pro are ... well .... professional.  The prochannel effects are about as good as any 3rd party effects.  Not better for everything, not worse.  There are plenty of threads if you'll research.  The SSL buss comp (comes w/ Pro) works as well as any buss comp.  The LA2A-style (separate) is great, too.  I can't tell much difference between Cake's 1176 Fet and the Softube FET, which is a well respected emulation.  And a lot of the other effects are 3rd party - Sonitus, Blue Tube, Breeverb, Voxengo's convolution reverb, etc.  So of course they sound as good as 3rd party plugs - they are.  They are good enough that they aren't going to keep you from creating your masterpiece.  Now if you want to spend $1000 on 3rd party plugs go ahead.  You can probably convince yourself they are better, even if you can't hear the difference in a blind shootout.  Might make you feel better, or longer, whatever.
 
If you already have a bunch of plugs you like, get the cheaper versions.  Mostly they are the same except for the plug-in count.  The prochannel (starts w/ the $200 version) is a wonderful, ergonomic tool built into the Inspector strip.  One of the best things Cake has done for workflow, esp. w/ the flyout EQ.  I have a buttload of 3rd party effects but find myself coming back to the PC since it is easy and quick.  Whatever I could possibly gain sonically in choosing a different digital effect is made up for in just getting on w/ the job.  I'd rather spend time mucking around w/ the analog front end of things - much better sound quality divided by time effectiveness.
 
 
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